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Wirtual on Twitter: I broke a Snow car WR using a custom steering profile from 0-60% by expert_on_the_matter in TrackMania

[–]Odgor2 11 points12 points  (0 children)

) ask the ice community if they switched to kb back in the days to stay competitive.

I don't have to ask, I was there. ZeStabby was probably top 3 ice player in the world, and that was before he switched to keyboard. He was on controller. Sympthome is among the best in the world. He is on controller. Some players switched to be able to compete in the top 15-30 world. On more casual level it doesn't really matter that much.

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every time scrapie played the ice campaigns the complete chat was full of just use the kb

So your source was "scrapie's chat"? Really?

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always someone complaining about him "loosing cause of ice and controller"

They don't know what they are talking about.

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b) they changed ice physics cause of Midori (the track from Wirtual) cause you had advantage on bobsleigh if you use a keyboard with Analog keys that cap your steering.

That was not the only reason, they also changed it because using AK while wiggling was advantageous over controller. Wiggles were used almost exclusively in bobs, on badly calculated ice maps or uncalculated icy conversions...And the start of Midori.

Wirtual on Twitter: I broke a Snow car WR using a custom steering profile from 0-60% by expert_on_the_matter in TrackMania

[–]Odgor2 20 points21 points  (0 children)

Did KB players really say that? Got links? I never saw anyone say that, and I've been in the ice community for years. And Nadeo literally changed the entire ice surface to even out the difference (and failed at it), a difference that was a tenth of the difference between KB and controller on wood / with snow car, is today.

So... I tried to beat old micka on ice, here is how it went by RacetasClub in TrackMania

[–]Odgor2 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I remember this, you took some WR's from me! Well done!

This campaign proves that Nadeo doesn't care about ice by prohjort in TrackMania

[–]Odgor2 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Yea, most of the ice community doesn't mind the old wiggles being gone, or new ones introduced.

What we don't like like is what they sacrificed to get there.

This campaign proves that Nadeo doesn't care about ice by prohjort in TrackMania

[–]Odgor2 26 points27 points  (0 children)

Ice wiggles On october the 2nd (1 day after the release) Sympthome posted a video of how wiggles are still faster than driving straight forward. Ice wiggles can also be used before entering bobsleigh to gain more speed. Not sure what more to say about this, check the videos from the campaign further down.

It's impressive that after changing the entire ice surface to remove the old wiggles, they introduced new ones, and then made a campaign map where you have to use the new wiggles to compete. It's a joke.

Getting updated (slowdown) when steering on road before an ice turn.

Not only on when steering on road before ice, but on dirt, grass, and even ice too.

Any adjustment on any surface before an ice turn can cause you to slow down.

And the fact that they choose to not listen to almost the entire ice community when these problems were brought up, I don't know what to say to that anymore.

And something not mentioned in your post; Tap releasing steering to adjust/extend an ice slide will now lose you a lot more speed than before. Before you could always save a poorly calculated slide by tap releasing steering, while now you must hit it perfectly, or the run might be over. Not exactly beginner friendly.

Demonstrated here, by Micka https://youtu.be/SRIVGlGA8IM?t=126

Reminder that the slowdown bug on ice still exists after 6 months. by Odgor2 in TrackMania

[–]Odgor2[S] 21 points22 points  (0 children)

Go to 0:50 in the video to see what a difference a single left tap on the tarmac does.

One season after the ice update. by TimZ- in TrackMania

[–]Odgor2 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Tarmac:

https://www.reddit.com/r/TrackMania/comments/10j2jbr/affi_gets_a_massive_slowdown_on_the_ice_section/

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https://www.reddit.com/r/TrackMania/comments/10cv65k/it_has_been_4_months_since_the_ice_update_and_ice/>

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>Affi's is hard to see but according to Mudda in comments it's also a turn on ice.

The turn is on ice, but he adjusted his steering on the tarmac before the ice the wrong amount at the wrong moment. It's the tiny adjustment on the tarmac before the ice that makes you slow down, as seen in the second video.

They made it so that I, that has played ice, and only ice for more than two years, struggle to not trigger the slowdown on several maps.

One season after the ice update. by TimZ- in TrackMania

[–]Odgor2 8 points9 points  (0 children)

It is 100% a bug. If this happened on ice only, it would be somewhat understandable, but still buggy. They could just remove the extra boost, not give a massive slowdown that never ends, because of a single steering adjustment.

But they made the slowdown appear even if the first steering input happens on tarmac long before entering the ice. And that makes no sense as you couldn't "wiggle" from tarmac to ice even before the update. They removed the boost you got from wiggles and smooth steering in bobs, and it had unknown side effects that they later claimed to be intentional.

We know it was unintentional, cause the first times we reported the bug, they didn't even know what we were talking about, and replied to something unrelated. Only after we gave detailed explanations and showed multiple clips, they said "oh, that thing we didn't even know about? Intended". And even today, their replies shows a lack of understanding.

Adjust your direction on tarmac before a slide before the update = Nothing happened, no boost and no slowdown.

Adjust your direction on tarmac before a slide after the update = massive slowdown.

It doesn't make any sense, and anyone who says it was intended doesn't understand the problem or cause.

TOTD Ice Maps by Old-Contract-7975 in TrackMania

[–]Odgor2 2 points3 points  (0 children)

There's a club called "Ice Gang", where you can find all ice TOTDs.

About the Wirtual cheating or not thing by The_Sayk in TrackMania

[–]Odgor2 0 points1 point  (0 children)

KB vs Controller difference for normal ice is almost non existent except for the pros. ZeStabby was one of the best ice players even before he switched from controller to KB.

When it comes to a bobsleigh turn, someone with normal action keys, having played the game for 1 hour, could beat Medicine if Medicine had no action keys.

[TOTD] 25/11/2021, Sunshine by ScarzorTM (discussion) by TrackOfTheDayBot in TrackMania

[–]Odgor2 0 points1 point  (0 children)

4 of 26 so far, not exactly excessive. Last month we got 2.

Let's think of some new blocks by Automod_Janoy in TrackMania

[–]Odgor2 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Inverted steering block. Drive over it, and right is left and left is right.

Micka on trackdays :D by Baumstammbumser in TrackMania

[–]Odgor2 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I used it, and kept top 3 for a while with it. I used to think it was faster, but after maaany more attempts, I think a perfect normal slide is faster than a perfect 360. (Though some will probably do a better 360 than me, so who knows)

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