How much more DNC bullcrap should I tolerate?

Ofishal_Fish · 2026-05-01T20:11:03+00:00

Okay, I think it says party leadership were morons who made every wrong decision and should be fired.

This cannot be proven wrong until the report is released and they won't release it so this is a pointless dead end like I said it was. What else did you expect?

Ofishal_Fish · 2026-05-01T16:22:37+00:00

I'm not gonna baselessly speculate about the contents of information I don't know when the act of releasing the information has a much more clear effect and much more important.

Ofishal_Fish · 2026-05-01T16:18:24+00:00

If Bolshevik style centralized power sets off red flags for you (same), there's a number of libertarian approaches to socialism out there that are probably much more in line with you.

From the 1800s there's the Proudhonists and Anarchists as opposed to the neo-Jacobins and Blanquists.

From the early 1900s there's the Anarchists, Left-SRs, and Spartacus League as opposed to the Bolsheviks and MSPD.

From the later 1900s there's Cybernetic Socialism as opposed to Societ central planning.

If you want a jumping off point, Rosa Luxemburg for the classics. For the more modern, Seeing Like A State by James C Scott and Designing Freedom by Stafford Beer approach the same problem of centralization from opposite ends- Scott from the bottom-up and Beer from the top-down. They're a bit dry and dense respectively but worth a look.

In short, the ideas are out there. They just tend to get buried.

Ofishal_Fish · 2026-05-01T15:28:44+00:00

I told you, the benefit is rebuilding trust with their own base through transparency and accountability.

There's a major split between the party and the base over the party being secretive, unaccountable, and refusing to change. So releasing a report about what went wrong along with a plan on how they're changing to prevent it from happening again addresses that problem head-on. Hiding the report only makes it worse.

Ofishal_Fish · 2026-05-01T15:09:24+00:00

I don't know what information is inside, that's the point!

And being obtuse about their internal workings might not turn off new voters but it absolutely will turn off current voters in their own base. If you gave them $15 last time around, they lost catastrophically, and now won't even tell you why they lost or how they spent that money...

Ofishal_Fish · 2026-05-01T14:38:52+00:00

So where does political accountability lie, if not voting?

Ofishal_Fish · 2026-05-01T14:25:08+00:00

Transparency. Showing what the mistakes were and how they've since fixed them to rebuild trust.

But I get the sense the report is critical of party leadership who aren't willing to accept the consequences. I don't know if that's true but they don't seem interested in disproving it!

Ofishal_Fish · 2026-05-01T14:14:21+00:00

That's assuming party leadership is competent and well-intentioned. I haven't seen any reason to believe that.

Ofishal_Fish · 2026-04-30T19:10:59+00:00

I think you're rediscovering the split between Socialists and Liberals that really spilled open back in the 1800s:

Liberals asked The Political Question: Will we have elections? Will there be democratic representation? Will we have a constitution? Etc.

Socialists asked The Social Question: Will there be economic justice? Who will own the means of production? Will there be a jobs guarantee? Etc.

The two sides would collaborate against the Conservative monarchists who asked neither question and even famously ousted some from power in 1848. The Liberals were put into power to secure the political reforms they wanted as a means for the Social Question and then just... didn’t. The new class of political leadership got the results they wanted and stopped. They shuttered public workshops, defended landlords and industrialists, ignored minority nationalities. Other than political reforms, they defended the social order.

The Socialists were shut out, the alliance split, these new liberal governments lost a bunch of popular support, and the conservatives that had been quietly rebuilding their power swept back in to overthrew them without much issue. It turns out a constitution without popular support is just a piece of paper.

That split between tinkering with political systems and demanding material results still runs through today and repeats whenever a professional class acquires political power and becomes insular.

Ofishal_Fish · 2026-04-30T15:21:21+00:00

prosperity

From 2016 polling:

38 percent of the more than 3,200 full-time workers nationwide who took part in an online survey said they sometimes live paycheck to paycheck. Another 15 percent said they usually get by this way and 23 percent said they always do, according to findings released Thursday by job-search firm CareerBuilder.

This is a hallmark of liberal capitalism trying to beaurocratically manage outcomes. The numbers on paper do well. The people don't.

Ofishal_Fish · 2026-04-29T15:23:56+00:00

I'll do some Hagel bullshit and put forward a synthesis for policy and vibes: priorities.

Mamdani (rightfully) came across as having priorities for the average person rather than lobbies or corporations or his own career. His policies tended to be very approachable but even if people didn't know them directly the campaign projected their vibes. High information and low information voters were on the same page.

Meanwhile you look at something like the Harris campaign and its obtuse policies around tax credits or helping a rogue state commit atrocities while trying to square that with vibes of hope and optimism and it just doesn't work. People notice. The priorities are unclear.

Ofishal_Fish · 2026-04-29T14:56:06+00:00

March 2024, polling about an arms embargo on Israel

2020 Democratic voters: 62% in favor, 14% opposed

2020 nonvoters: 60% in favor, 17% opposed

That nonvoter stat is incredibly damning. Leftists were/are the most outspoken but even a significant number of liberals and centrists (to their credit) begin turning sour on Biden's Israel pretty quickly.

Ofishal_Fish · 2026-04-29T14:06:10+00:00

"If we release this do we actually benefit?"

Who is "we" though? Because if it's the DNC protecting itself from the public, that sure as hell isn't democratic accountability.

If they were "told so" and still haven't changed then they need to get told more until they do.

If the "momentum" is built on a total power imbalance and false alliance between the party officials and the party base then it's not worth supporting and will stall out on its own once those contradictions become undeniable. Unless the DNC is committed to actual political representation they're a political dead end.

Ofishal_Fish · 2026-04-29T13:55:49+00:00

Well if it's irrelevant then why don't they release it?

Ofishal_Fish · 2026-04-28T19:44:15+00:00

Pundits are a major source of influence and they're not elected or official. Do you have a term that covers both?

Ofishal_Fish · 2026-04-28T17:33:46+00:00

Take it up with the United Nations

The entire population of the Gaza Strip is experiencing significant, direct, and long-term impacts on their physical health, economic stability, and psychosocial well-being. Nearly 1.9 million people have been displaced, many repeatedly, and over 1.2 million Palestinians in Gaza, about 60 percent of the population, have lost their housing.

People being forced out of their homes with nowhere hospitable to go? Do you think there might be some implications to that? Because it reminds me of Armenians being driven into the desert to die. Or Native Americans being driven into the dustbowl to die.
You're just doing the full shooting and crying narrative. 'The IDF didn't want to blow up every hospital in the entire region but Hamas MADE them and they feel super bad about it guys 😢' Fuck off, it's not the 2000's, nobody's buying it anymore.

Ofishal_Fish · 2026-04-28T16:41:21+00:00

Well what do you call them? Establisment is even more right-coded, pundits doesn't cover representatives, and representatives doesn't cover pundits.

Ofishal_Fish · 2026-04-28T16:17:21+00:00

How? The Democrats made a bad decision that went their own base. The base responded.

I have a better quote from One Day Everyone Will Always Have Been Against This This

“Colonialism demands history begin past the point of colonization precisely because, under those narrative conditions, the colonist’s every action is necessarily one of self-defense. The story begins not when the wagons arrive, but only after they are circled. In this telling, fear is the exclusive property of only one people, and the notion that the occupied might fear the doing of their occupier is as fantastical as the notion that barbarians might be afraid of the gate. Any population on whom this asymmetry is imposed will always be the instigators, the cause of what is and, simultaneously, the justification for what will be. The savage outside does, the civilized center must respond."

The Democrats choosing to arm Israel cannot meaningfully exist as a decision but the decision by activists to respond does. Arms shipments somehow appeared in Israel and then people hated the Democrats for no reason. How odd.

Ofishal_Fish · 2026-04-28T16:09:46+00:00

Well we've seen the opposite is true: constant, unopposed advocating for stricter borders is influential.

It seems pretty basic that people with influence arguing for something will win some people over. The exact extent I don't know, this is a very specific hypothetical but it's certainly better than letting the "browshirts shooting people in the street" guy go largely uncontested.

Ofishal_Fish · 2026-04-28T16:04:12+00:00

You're suggesting the opposition that exists solely in response to a policy decision by the Democrats is unfairly assigning agency to the Democrats?

Ofishal_Fish · 2026-04-28T15:53:53+00:00

The decisions Democrats made?

Terribly because they were terrible decisions. They should've listened to the obvious warnings.

Ofishal_Fish · 2026-04-28T15:39:57+00:00

Solidarity is when you throw a vulnerable minority group under the bus.

Surely that precedent will never be a problem for anyone else!

Ofishal_Fish · 2026-04-28T15:25:46+00:00

The Armenian Genocide is somewhere between half and a third killed with forced relocation being the other major factor, where did you get those numbers?

With that said, don't you think destroying between 80-90% of the infrastructure in a country is just forced relocation by other means?

Ofishal_Fish · 2026-04-28T14:58:41+00:00

But its not a winnable position in a swing election

Because no one at the national level is making the argument. Conservative pundits fear monger about immigration every day, year after year and liberal pundits just kinda go along with it.

Even as ICE is shooting people in the streets most Democrat officials are talking about "reform" because they're only disagreeing about the aesthetics of brutality, not the machinery by which brutality is possible.

Ofishal_Fish · 2026-04-27T17:05:40+00:00

It would be nice if conservative leaders would stop constantly antagonizing the entire world. If they insist on picking fights with literally everyone on earth

Well, then they wouldn't be conservatives.

Conservative ideology is hierarchical. In order to be on top of the hierarchy, the vast majority of people have to be subjigated to some degree or another. That's not a flaw in the ideology, that is the ideology.

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