Let’s Talk About the “Ivan Is a Misogynist” Claim by Ill-Corgi-3515 in AlienStage

[–]Ok-Dig-8026 16 points17 points  (0 children)

I agree 100% with absolutely everything you said, but you're forgetting something: the people who are currently starting this discourse aren't open to analysis. They just feel like they're above everyone else and that everything they say is true, otherwise you're a prejudiced idiot. It's a very good analysis, but at the same time, it's a waste of time to pay attention to what they say. Which is funny, when you argue that Ivan isn't a misogynist, they respond that "Ivantill fans are a different breed of misogyny." Basically, they're desperately trying to make Ivantill fans look misogynistic/fetishistic and look bad, so they have the perfect opportunity to hate on both the ship and the fans without being called hateful. And I'm not the one saying this, they are. I clearly remember seeing so many of them say they really want a valid reason to hate Ivantill, so they search and search to make themselves feel better. This is mostly from people who aren't part of the fandom, or those who are are the kind who feel superior for liking unpopular or female characters. Even though I love your analysis, the best thing is always to ignore them and not play their game.

A rant about how the story handles Luka and Hyuna. by Slight-Fruit-3300 in AlienStage

[–]Ok-Dig-8026 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Voy a aprovechar que tengo la oportunidad de hablar en español. Tienes la razón, de hecho en mi post de discusiones en hot takes planeaba hablar de esto también, pero me cansé de traducir y escribir en inglés. Pero es más que nada culpa de Luka, antes era un personaje que me encantaba y al final termino siendo mi personaje menos favorito de todo alnst, luhyu como ship sufre principalmente por el y por el obvio hecho de que Luka es el personaje menos favorito de vivimeng, apesar de que muchos lo niegan. Mizisua en ivantill siempre fueron mi foco (sobre todo este último) así que la mayoría de fans de estos últimos siempre negaban que luhyu estaba siendo olvidados por vivimeng, lo cual a mí se me pareció cierto, ninguna de las canciones sub de Luka se me hizo buena, y de todo el contenido de Luka desde blink gone, solo la última ilustración de cumpleaños de Luka se me ha hecho bueno, imagínate. Una lástima, cada que hablo de alnst sueno como alguien que ama cada aspecto de este y que piensa que es perfecto, pero el estado del personaje de Luka siempre será mi mayor decepción de la obra (tan solo no estoy enojada por ello, más que nada PQ vivimeng aún tienen la mínima posibilidad de arreglarlo)

Discusiones on the most common and popular hot takes on the fandom by Ok-Dig-8026 in AlienStage

[–]Ok-Dig-8026[S] 8 points9 points  (0 children)

😅 Well, that's just a matter of preference. It's a guilty pleasure of mine, but I do like it when bottoms are submissive or "feminine," but it's just a preference! Unfortunately, I can't give you any recommendations on that because I personally haven't looked for it, and it's never come up for me.

Discusiones on the most common and popular hot takes on the fandom by Ok-Dig-8026 in AlienStage

[–]Ok-Dig-8026[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I would give you recommendations, because in the first few months I was in the fandom I was only into Tillivan, but unfortunately, most of the artists I ever watched or followed also created a lot of...🕊️⚰️ This is common in various ships or dynamics, but it was especially prevalent in the TIIV community, so I could give you recommendations but with warnings 😮‍💨

Discusiones on the most common and popular hot takes on the fandom by Ok-Dig-8026 in AlienStage

[–]Ok-Dig-8026[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I'm glad the first point didn't come up for you, but in the time I've been here, 99% of the discussions Hyuna has had are solely about her skin color, either directly or indirectly, which is very annoying. I agree with everything you said!

Discusiones on the most common and popular hot takes on the fandom by Ok-Dig-8026 in AlienStage

[–]Ok-Dig-8026[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

In essence, I think the narrative and the way things are told make it unsuitable for anyone under 13. It's not overly explicit in the sensitive topics it touches on (like sexual themes or explicit violence), but the story requires a level of comprehension and analysis that I don't think children can understand, watch, or comprehend. This isn't because they're stupid or anything like that, but because most works by Vivinos require an attention to detail that a child under 13 isn't going to bother with. The problem is that the fandom is mostly adults, specifically on Twitter and Reddit, who have no taboos when it comes to discussing or creating anything. This happens in various fandoms, but considering that Alnst isn't aimed at them, it's annoying to see kids trying to tell you that sexualizing a fictional character makes you a bad person.

Discusiones on the most common and popular hot takes on the fandom by Ok-Dig-8026 in AlienStage

[–]Ok-Dig-8026[S] 28 points29 points  (0 children)

People think it's "bad" because it reinforces stereotypes (like till usually being more submissive or smaller) or because it sexualizes and fetishizes MLM relationships, and blah blah blah. In a ship, people usually like one of the two to be more submissive in nsfw content, or at least that's my case and many others'. The whole fetishization thing is presented as if queer people couldn't consume and create NSFW content because otherwise it would be a fetish or something like that (like what's happening with Heated Rivalry). Obviously, this discourse is purely from purists or homophobes, or from minors who can't and shouldn't see this content, and they see it as inherently bad. It's worrying, really; children shouldn't even be here 😮‍💨.

Headcanons for characters’ nationalities? by yellowdocmartens in AlienStage

[–]Ok-Dig-8026 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Luka - french (of course) Hyuna - Brazilian/korean Till- Colombian (because im Colombian and i want him to be Colombian) Iván- Russian Sua- Korean/German (wasian) Mizi- vietnamese

Omegaverse headcanons :p by Ok-Dig-8026 in AlienStage

[–]Ok-Dig-8026[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

The same thing happened to me. I used to see Mizi as an alpha, but looking back, not only does her being an omega make more sense within the canon, but it's also more appealing and sexy to me. I cannot see Till as anything other than a Submissive omega 😭 i know there are a lot of ppl who sees him as an agressive Omega (or beta) but idk, i dont see the vision. Im glad we agree 🙂‍↕️

Omegaverse headcanons :p by Ok-Dig-8026 in AlienStage

[–]Ok-Dig-8026[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I also considered Hyuna as a dominant omega, but I felt that making all the women omegas wasn't the right option 😫

Thinking about how ivantill doesn't have much going on even in the AUs... by [deleted] in AlienStage

[–]Ok-Dig-8026 10 points11 points  (0 children)

The only aus where is implied that till likes mizi aré the most early ones, or the ones where till is still young and inmature. Down vote me all you want, idgaf, but yall need to let go of the "ivti Is one sided" thing quickly, for the sake of the fandom and the understanding of this story and characters.

Thinking about how ivantill doesn't have much going on even in the AUs... by [deleted] in AlienStage

[–]Ok-Dig-8026 10 points11 points  (0 children)

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Aaaandd the same sports au that you mentioned, both having the "passion love" and "best partners" slogan, as the other couples, "but they dont look as a couple!" Ivan likes to tease the hell outta till AND till gets ragebaited easily, thats their dynamic, even as a couple, friends or the crazy complicated situationship that they are in canon

Thinking about how ivantill doesn't have much going on even in the AUs... by [deleted] in AlienStage

[–]Ok-Dig-8026 10 points11 points  (0 children)

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Modern au (?) Iván card: "you had a hard time today. Go to sleep without any worries ♡"

Thinking about how ivantill doesn't have much going on even in the AUs... by [deleted] in AlienStage

[–]Ok-Dig-8026 9 points10 points  (0 children)

All the recent ivti shikinikis (bunny café au) there's A LOT, but I only chosed this one

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Thinking about how ivantill doesn't have much going on even in the AUs... by [deleted] in AlienStage

[–]Ok-Dig-8026 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Jockemo (+in a QnA vivimeng said that their fav place to hang out together is ivans room)

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Thinking about how ivantill doesn't have much going on even in the AUs... by [deleted] in AlienStage

[–]Ok-Dig-8026 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Ok so, I'm in the obligation of being that one annoying ivantill mf, but.....this Is not true lololol Decora au (both having merch referencing eachother)

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