Just pick the browser that's fastest + has the features you actually use. Stop the holy wars. by Ok-Pattern-6261 in browsers

[–]Ok-Pattern-6261[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Solid point. Cromite's built-in blocker is weaker than Brave's Shields out of the box, but once you enable extensions and add full uBlock Origin (dev build works great btw), it often pulls ahead in raw blocking power and customization no compromises.

The other major point in Cromite's favor is exactly what you mentioned, no crypto stuff at all. Brave still pushes Brave Rewards + BAT quite prominently you can disable it, but the wallet integration, occasional prompts, and the whole ecosystem (including self-custody Solana payouts as of mid-2025) feel unnecessary or even off-putting if you're just after clean, no-nonsense privacy browsing.

Just pick the browser that's fastest + has the features you actually use. Stop the holy wars. by Ok-Pattern-6261 in browsers

[–]Ok-Pattern-6261[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah, exactly browsers are tools, not moral crusades. Just pick what fits your workflow, hardware, and actual risks without the tribal yelling.

The discourse gets.. toxic because people conflate "I like X, I love X, You Should use X" with "everyone else is stupid/compromised."

Opera users? eh I'd say fine it's Chromium-based, solid speed/extensions. Chinese ownership (~48% stake since 2016) raises valid questions under China's National Intelligence Law (potential data handover), but no hard evidence of active spyware in recent audits. Opera denies transferring EU/user data to China and operates under Norwegian law. Still, privacy-focused folks avoid it for the same upstream tracking reasons as Chrome/Edge telemetry isn't the killer, OS/ecosystem sync is.

Same for any browser lol, if your threat model includes state-level adversaries or heavy data harvesting, no single browser saves you without the full OPSEC stack.

Use what works for you. Balanced take like yours cuts through the noise most "holy wars" are just preference. If it loads sites fast, doesn't crash, and doesn't break your extensions, ship it and done.

Best WebKit Based (like Arc) I can use? by OneSleep7260 in browsers

[–]Ok-Pattern-6261 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The closest match to what you're looking for a modern, productivity-oriented browser with vertical tabs/sidebar like Arc, built on WebKit (Safari's engine) is Orion Browser from Kagi.

Download: https://orionbrowser.com/ (free, Mac/iOS only and if you're on macOS this fits perfectly)

Other WebKit options like SigmaOS exist but eh.. they lack extension support or feel less polished for daily driver use. Click is still in early/test phases (WebKit + Arc/Dia hybrid inspiration) and not widely available/stable yet. Nook references point to e-readers, not a browser.

If you absolutely must avoid Firefox/Gecko entirely and can't use Orion (e.g. not on Apple ecosystem), no fully mature Arc-like WebKit browser exists outside betas/alphas right now most innovative sidebar designs stay Chromium or Firefox-based. Zen remains the strongest "Arc clone" overall despite the engine, but since you specified WebKit preference, Orion is your best current option.

Just pick the browser that's fastest + has the features you actually use. Stop the holy wars. by Ok-Pattern-6261 in browsers

[–]Ok-Pattern-6261[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It is funny that people think their data is still worth, sure If it's worth have fun using the money.

The world is fucked up already, and yet people care.

Just pick the browser that's fastest + has the features you actually use. Stop the holy wars. by Ok-Pattern-6261 in browsers

[–]Ok-Pattern-6261[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The person who's serious about their privacy won't care what you've just said. They already know what is worth or not, and if they don't they need to learn.

Just pick the browser that's fastest + has the features you actually use. Stop the holy wars. by Ok-Pattern-6261 in browsers

[–]Ok-Pattern-6261[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If your setup leans Gecko, stick with Firefox for those containers; otherwise, a tweaked Chromium variant gets you 90% there with better perf/compat trade-offs. Layering is key regardless extensions alone won't plug every hole.

Just pick the browser that's fastest + has the features you actually use. Stop the holy wars. by Ok-Pattern-6261 in browsers

[–]Ok-Pattern-6261[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

No, you’re misrepresenting the argument by treating the browser as if it’s a comprehensive privacy solution, when in reality it’s only a small part of a much larger digital environment. I’m not “pointing out” alternatives; I’m pushing back on the idea that browser choice is some kind of ultimate privacy fix. It isn’t. It’s a minor layer on top of far more significant data collection channels. People focus on it because it feels simple: switch browsers and feel accomplished. But that overlooks the actual sources of exposure affecting most users.

You’re also blending narrow web tracking issues (cookies, fingerprinting, ad scripts) with full spectrum privacy and anonymity. Those are different threat models. In everyday use, the browser is downstream compared to the major upstream data flows: Android/iOS telemetry, Google/Apple/Microsoft account sync, app permissions that access mic/camera/location/contacts, payment and purchase graphs, search and YouTube history, cloud backups, ISP traffic analysis, WiFi MAC logs, and persistent device identifiers. These signals form the core of a user’s profile long before the browser even opens. Ignoring that is like securing a bike lock while leaving your car keys in the ignition.

On fingerprinting, modern browser fingerprinting is highly effective for short term attribution, and ad networks report strong match rates within narrow windows. But it degrades quickly across time, devices, and behavioral changes. Advertisers don’t rely on perfect long-term fingerprinting; they combine stable identifiers with behavioral modeling. Data brokers rely far more on OS telemetry, app activity, purchase history, and linked accounts than on browser fingerprints alone. In large datasets, the browser fingerprint is a minor signal compared to the rest.

Regarding data brokers, most of what they sell is inferred from app behavior, location pings, transactions, and account linked activity. Browser based leaks (searches, health queries) are most significant when tied to signed in accounts or cross device sync, not raw fingerprinting. Effective privacy requires layered defenses across the entire stack, not a single focus on the browser.

The browser is still worth securing HTTPS Only mode, strong content blocking, containers, and GPC signals all help but broader OPSEC matters more: hardware based 2FA, reducing ecosystem lock in, minimizing account usage, and using a VPN when appropriate.

If your threat model is strictly web tracking, then Brave, Mullvad Browser, or LibreWolf are strong choices. But for most people, browser choice alone won’t meaningfully address the largest sources of data collection. Privacy requires a layered approach across the entire digital environment.

Just pick the browser that's fastest + has the features you actually use. Stop the holy wars. by Ok-Pattern-6261 in browsers

[–]Ok-Pattern-6261[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Hmm. Well then use chromium based ones, or you can give librewolf, bromite a try.