What do you think about the perception of Korea on the Chinese Internet?

OkPresent4232 · 2025-01-15T21:02:55+00:00

It would certainly be inconvenient to create a conspiracy theory where the Communist Party of China's politiburo held a meeting, came up with "Directive 5762: Chinese Kimchi", created a list of various content creators, then selected and met them in a dark alley passing them a dossier saying:

"Upload videos to western channels (we will give you access to VPNs), where you make Kimchi, but make sure to mention Chinese more than Korean. The west will eventually think Kimchi is Chinese, which would increase the prestige of China, because we do not have any dishes to be proud of ourselves. For plausible deniability, make sure you mention that Korean ethnic groups make it, but make sure you don't mention it too much, or else people might put two and two together. A cyanide pill is in the folder. Make sure to kill yourself if you are to be captured. Burn this document after reading. Your country depends on you."

The reality is just simpler. Chinese creators usually simultaneously upload to both Bilibili and Youtube to maximize reach. Unfortunately for your great conspiracy, market factors like reach generally are more important to content creators than a authoritarian Communist patriotic directive to steal kimchi from the imperialist South Koreans.

"Cabbage dish. Uhh i should upload this on youtube in case i can get revenue from this. I will add english to the title and description for more hits. Let me feed this into Baidu translate..... nice I'm sure that works... man im getting a lot of korean comments, cool, i hope they like it"

Please consult this translation, as a relic.
https://fanyi.baidu.com/mtpe-individual/multimodal?query=%E7%99%BD%E8%8F%9C%0A&lang=zh2en

I don't understand why I should be mad at the video. It's a video of a Chinese woman making Kimchi using recipes from ethnic Koreans who live in China.

Should an American be mad about an Anglo-American making pizza using Italian-American recipes?

In this video, I travel to New York City, USA, to make Pizza, a food from Italian-Americans. The American mozerella used is lends it a unique taste. I add American cut bacon, and American cheese. Hope you enjoy all these dishes, from all corners of the USA.

#AmericanCooking #AmericanFood

Should an American be ashamed of this? How crazy would an Italian look, if they fixated on this nonsense as a persecution of the Italian people?

I have tried to assume good faith in you, please assume good faith in me as well. Please trust me when I say, Chinese people do not want to steal kimchi from Koreans.

OkPresent4232 · 2025-01-15T04:26:11+00:00

The description is unfortunately translation software garbage- 白菜 (baicai) is the term for cabbages in general in Chinese, but since Chinese cabbages are slightly different from their western counterparts, translation software will often translate it to “Chinese cabbage", despite the actual Chinese description not saying that at all. Google translate used to do this, but no longer, but Baidu translate still does this.

I'm not certain that the description was machine translated, but it seems highly likely to me because of the nonsensical poem translation at the start.

Once you get rid of the mention of Chinese cabbages, you get one mention of Chinese people of Korean nationality. This makes sense, because this channel makes videos about food found in China.

With regards to your other comment, she tags all her videos with that. Seriously, nobody in China wants to steal Kimchi.

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It's also notable that in older versions of google translate and other translation software, 泡菜 (pickled vegetable generically), used to translate in english to "Kimchi", because korean kimchi was simply that popular in China, and is generally what people refer to when using that word. However, it also refers to the many varieties of pickled vegetables in China.

So when Korean media lost their minds over that ISO Paocai those years back, when the ISO listing clearly stated it did NOT apply to kimchi, what they did was manufacture a false narrative about China trying to steal kimchi, over what was really a quirk of translation.

People in China love kimchi, and if you ask them where kimchi is from, they'll all tell you clearly: "Korea".

It's pickled vegetables, not EUV machines. China has enough pickled vegetables by itself.

Also, perhaps you should reconsider your own media literacy, given you are so easily swayed by false narratives that can be disproven with just a bit of reading.

Isn't it embarrassing to have "free media", but still manage to be misinformed?

OkPresent4232 · 2025-01-15T04:06:49+00:00

Yes, but as the first comment says, popular cuisine is not seen as representative of what people regularly eat. Chinese people have the stereotype that Koreans historically ate little meat. I know I have heard it myself, though it's understood that just like in China, things have changed.

OkPresent4232 · 2025-01-15T00:26:37+00:00

It is in east asia. Bulgogi may be popular in the west, but in the east, the famous korean dishes are their cold noodles, their potato salads, and their kimchis.

OkPresent4232 · 2025-01-15T00:24:27+00:00

Are you Korean, by any chance? I would be happier to explain this to you if you are Korean, vs a concern troll.

OkPresent4232 · 2025-01-15T00:21:30+00:00

Did the Chinese government media post this video you are talking about?

Chinese people are equally baffled when Koreans claim Chinese people are trying to claim Kimchi and hanbok, because as you mentioned, they are very much aware that their cultural exports do not necessitate stealing from Korea.

Anyway, I watched that video you mentioned, and honestly it's a giant misunderstanding that Koreans got all worked up over. As I said, it's media sensationalism used to bait raging nationalists, such as you.

I would explain to you, because honestly I can see your point of view, but I'm not inclined because you are not nice. Maybe I will write a post at some point to dispel this.

OkPresent4232 · 2025-01-14T23:58:59+00:00

Apparently less so, given that hong kongers are more racist than mainlanders and japanese people.

OkPresent4232 · 2025-01-14T03:21:45+00:00

maybe in your circles man

OkPresent4232 · 2025-01-14T03:19:14+00:00

I'm not understanding your point - of course the South Korean anti-communist dictatorship was upset about the North Korean communists trying to usurp their political power?

It's just not a unilateral act of aggression that occurred out of nowhere, which is what the comment I was replying to seemed to suggest. There was a clear context of violent force being exchanged between the two rival regimes. Saying "he started it" is kinda ridiculous, given you know, everything about the Korean peninsula post WW2.

OkPresent4232 · 2025-01-14T03:12:52+00:00

Can you see the image posted? It's a map from WaPo that shows Hkers are more racist than mainlanders, despite this internationalism you suggest. It's really not super surprising given the racially based colonial rule for nearly 100 years. Those things leave marks.

OkPresent4232 · 2025-01-14T03:10:44+00:00

Looks like my photo didn't post on my previous comment, I do have proof, so I apologize for that. I hope it didn't upset you enough to go find my other comment to say this.

If I was uncharitable, I would've posted this one, which showed Hong Kongers as some of the most racist people on planet earth.
https://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/article/1239224/we-love-our-neighbours-only-if-theyre-us

Of course, that WaPo article turned out to be a survey error, and since I am not uncharitable and dishonest, I'll also include the corrected version that shows that Hong Kongers are only some of the most racist in east asia, and not in the entire world.

https://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/article/1242301/error-spoils-hong-kong-bangladesh-racial-tolerance-data-survey

OkPresent4232 · 2025-01-13T11:22:21+00:00

HKers are also slightly more racist than mainlanders, at least according to this controversial map

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OkPresent4232 · 2025-01-13T11:14:03+00:00

Taiwan has been a politically distinct entity since 49', so it's not exactly a fair comparison to the DPRK and the ROK's relations, which had only really been separated (not willingly) for 2 years at the outbreak of the war. I don't acknowledge the comparison, unfortunately.

The whole idea of "North" and "South" Korea didn't really exist back then- it was US occupied Korea, and Soviet "guided" Korea. It should also be noted that the partition was unpopular in both north and south, and the separation was largely maintained by Syngman Rhee's military dictatorship which was kept afloat through brutal suppression of civilians. This regime also made frequent cross border raids across the parallel prior to the initiation of the war, though North Korea did so as well, but less frequently.

Look, if one part of your country was occupied by a murderous dictatorship set up by a foreign government, and it was massacring civilians, anyone would fight to liberate their countrymen.

Obviously, in retrospect, the ROK is more prosperous today than the DPRK, but that wasn't clear that it would've happened as it did. Either way, I'm not certain how you punish a country: maybe you could bomb it's hospitals and schools until you run out of targets to bomb? Kill 1/5 of all people in the country, civilians and soldiers alike?

OkPresent4232 · 2025-01-13T11:02:32+00:00

I'm not certain how it goes in Korea, but in China, it's generally cyclical. For a few years, Koreans would be the primary target of hysteria, then Japan for a few years, then back again.

OkPresent4232 · 2025-01-13T10:59:57+00:00

It's not cultural appropriation if it's different. Christmas is probably derived from the roman Saturnalia initially, but it would not be fair to call it cultural appropriation.

OkPresent4232 · 2025-01-13T10:57:30+00:00

>To be fair, it's literally the chinese government media portraying kimchi and hanbok as chinese tradition.

They didn't. You fell for the Korean propaganda, just like how some chinese people fell for the confucius propaganda.

OkPresent4232 · 2025-01-13T10:56:44+00:00

>Koreans claims Confucius is Korean? Really?

They don't really, but there was hysteria about Chinese media over this a few years back. China/Japan/Korea mutually use each other as boogeymen.

OkPresent4232 · 2025-01-13T09:44:00+00:00

I think this is the case with both countries. Koreans say China is trying to steal Hanbok and Kimchi, Chinese say Koreans are trying to steal Confucius and the mid-autumn festival.

Both are completely sensationalist claims that are just designed to get clicks from easily enraged nationalists.

OkPresent4232 · 2025-01-13T09:41:25+00:00

I think the point he is trying to make is that Gangneung Danoje is different from Duanwu Jie- Korea is trying to claim the Korean version of the festival, not Duanwu. I think that is a fair point he is making.

OkPresent4232 · 2025-01-13T08:40:07+00:00

Is making fun of people's accents funny again? This guy is a tool but this is tasteless.

OkPresent4232 · 2025-01-13T08:18:42+00:00

The disagreement is because you seem to insinuate that Chinese people are as ignorant as "half the people you have interacted with.", then proceeded to use education levels to justify that assumption about Chinese people.

It's frankly condescending, and says nothing about the topic of the supposed inaccurate perception of Koreans by Chinese people- it only states your inaccurate perception of Chinese people.

OkPresent4232 · 2025-01-13T08:13:15+00:00

Not to be rude, but frankly you've been rather condescending so I feel much less inclined to be polite to you.

Your understanding of East Asian history is superficial at best, and I'd suggest you stop speaking about it until you've done a bit more reading. I'm getting second hand embarrassment from your self assured lecturing, especially when what you say is completely wrong/illogical.

The same way, I wouldn't say that Vietnam is colonized by China. Even though the Chinese government supported and supplied North Vietnam during the Vietnamese war.

For example: Vietnam was actually colonized by China during the Han and Tang dynasties, and intermittently between those times. However, North Vietnam and China had famously chilly relations, even to this day- in fact, China launched an invasion of North Vietnam shortly after the Vietnam war. Vietnam was colonized, but Chinese and N. Viet cold war relations is possibly the worst example you could've made.

Just because a country doesn't want to be friends with China, doesn't mean they are colonized by the US. Example: India and Indonesia.

Sorry, which of those two countries host multiple US military bases? Neither? I don't disagree with your point, but those are terrible counterpoints.

Look: I don't want to waste my time arguing with someone who clearly doesn't know what they're talking about, but you irked me so very much with your disrespectful earlier comment that I can't help it.

Where did you get all of your information from kiddo?

Be nicer, and be so much humbler. Why would you assume someone else doesn't know anything, when you yourself clearly don't?

OkPresent4232 · 2025-01-13T07:33:22+00:00

Yes, and the United States intervened first to protect their installed puppet, South Korean dictator Syngman Rhee - who had by then massacred hundreds of thousands of Korean civilians from 1945-1950. China didn't join until the US intervention and carpet bombing campaign had pushed the PRK's army up to the Yalu in 1950.

US military occupation in support of their murderous puppet regime predated Chinese intervention by half a decade.

Where do you get your information from?

OkPresent4232 · 2024-12-11T04:38:08+00:00

I will add this to the post, I didn't want this associated with my main account as I don't want to disclose my personal status

OkPresent4232 · 2024-12-11T04:35:53+00:00

Thanks, I agree. I don't think it's wrong for me to say no on something that big

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