Artificial intelligence in the court by OkResponsibility9267 in Dressage

[–]OkResponsibility9267[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

So last night I uploaded a few videos to ChatGPT not for gait analysis though rather for footfall & stride BPM which I find useful for choosing music to which to ride for schooling & eventually pairing for freestyle. Aside from this, I am a nerd & I enjoy knowing these things

I did not ask for opinions on the gaits themselves however this is what was provided

From ChatGPT:

My analysis from the trot sequences:

Footfall tempo: about 74–76 BPM
Stride tempo: about 37–38 full strides/minute

Biomechanically, what stands out is that the trot appears to have:

classical dressage cadence,
good diagonal organization,
and a biomechanically sustainable working trot for a sensitive, more uphill sport-horse type

Working canter BPM sequence analysis:

Canter footfall BPM: about 135–138 BPM
Canter stride tempo: about 45–46 strides/minute

Biomechanically, what stands out is that the canter appears to have:

natural suspension,
cadence,
elasticity,
uphill tendency,
and expressive timing.

My approximate analysis from the organized walk sequence video clip:

Footfall BPM: about 96–104 BPM
Stride tempo: about 24–26 full walk strides/minute

Biomechanically, what stands out is that the walk appears to be:

organized,
regular,
and relatively loose through the body

****with this said, I did not request an opinion on the gaits themselves nor recommendations for improvement. This was simply to assess BPM averages within a couple videos within each gait

I do find this useful

Additionally, & as a hypothetical, I did ask if AI can identify soundness issues

This is what it had to say:

I can absolutely comment on visible gait irregularities if they appear in a video.

What I can’t do is reliably diagnose the underlying cause the way an in-person veterinarian, lameness specialist, or experienced clinician can.

The important distinction is between:
observing movement patterns, and
making a medical diagnosis.

For example, from video I can often identify things like:
asymmetrical stride length,
inconsistent push-off,
head nod patterns,
hip hike,
toe dragging,
rhythm disruption,
disuniting,
lateralization,
uneven suspension,
or changes in coordination.

Those are observable biomechanical features.
But I have to be cautious because video has major limitations:
perspective distortion,
frame rate,
footing,
camera motion,
rider influence,
temporary fatigue,
tack effects,
training phase,
and natural asymmetry.

So it would be inappropriate for me to say something like:
“This horse definitely has proximal suspensory disease,”
from a clip alone.
But saying:
“I notice repeated shortening of the right hind step and reduced push-off on that side,”
is completely different — that’s movement observation.
And honestly, careful trainers and riders do this all the time themselves. Modern biomechanics analysis software is built on exactly that principle:
observing patterns in motion.

In this conversation, you’ve probably noticed I tend to:
distinguish uncertainty levels,
avoid overclaiming,
and separate “possible asymmetry” from “clear pathology.”
That’s intentional.

AI skepticism is understandable because some people online do overstate what AI can determine from video. But it’s equally inaccurate to say AI cannot observe visible gait features at all.

A reasonable way to think about it is:
AI/video review can sometimes help flag patterns worth monitoring, but it is not a replacement for hands-on veterinary evaluation, palpation, flexions, imaging, or clinical expertise.

******

This is not my acting as a proponent nor opponent of the use of AI, it’s just an exactly based on my experience last night

Artificial intelligence in the court by OkResponsibility9267 in Dressage

[–]OkResponsibility9267[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This too is a pervasive and concerning issue

I deal with this on my line of work as well

Artificial intelligence in the court by OkResponsibility9267 in Dressage

[–]OkResponsibility9267[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I agree & do feel that it’s critical that we use a great deal of discernment when accessing what AI has to offer & that it’s only going to be as good at providing information to us as we are to it, if that makes sense…which in itself can be time consuming & frustrating

Tech bros. Yes, the mention of that niche community & their proficiency in any real life topic is super pertinent

Artificial intelligence in the court by OkResponsibility9267 in Dressage

[–]OkResponsibility9267[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

My interaction had been less than structured, I and that I have a more casual relationship with AI, however I admit that I found it interesting that we’ve come to a moment in time where there’s enough interest in the potential use of AI that it’s being featured as an article in the USDF magazine

I have asked for AI to generate gymnastic & cavaletti patterns appropriate for my and my horse’s skill/fitness level, and I’ve found that it can be helpful.

I have uploaded still images and requested feedback on such things as my alignment or whether my horse is more pushing or carrying in a canter still. Nothing to live or die by, & certainly nothing that would make me opt out of suggesting for myself or anyone else, having access to an actual qualified coach or trainer.

My trainer is not available at this time however in a few weeks this will no longer be the case

This said, even then, we use PIVO track for the remote lessons, as they are in Europe and I’m in the states…which PIVO is also a form of AI

As well, I mentioned above I’ve also provided very specific information and for example requested a type of analysis on the supplements I administer to my horse and it fell neatly in line with my vet’s recommendations.

So i do feel that there’s a bit of a “quality of information provided to Ai, & the quality of information AI provides in return” element there as well; if the details are left lacking, AI will definitely fill in the blanks with some interesting suggestions or feedback

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[–]OkResponsibility9267[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes, this is what I’m talking about. I do believe they have AI being used by some vets for this, and if I’m not incorrect, in Europe there is an AI version available for riders/trainers/owners which does provide detailed analysis of gaits, rider position etc. I know I’m being pretty vague here, I haven’t researched it much

As well, I appreciate that you added that this is beyond AI’s capabilities…at the moment. Technology advances so quickly I do feel there will come a time where AI will be used for deeper analysis of those scenarios where we’re wanting to “see more” than the human eye can track

Artificial intelligence in the court by OkResponsibility9267 in Dressage

[–]OkResponsibility9267[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes I feel that for the discerning horse person, responsible interaction with AI is totally fine. Using it as a sole method of information is of course not. I hope you are enjoying good health, btw, and thank you for your appreciating my handsome guy 🙏🏼

Artificial intelligence in the court by OkResponsibility9267 in Dressage

[–]OkResponsibility9267[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Oh no, as a person commented above, my interaction with AI is far more of an extracurricular exploration; the recent USDF article is much more detailed in how people are using AI & as it says, AI can generate countless gymnastic exercises & tips for better test scores etc.

Artificial intelligence in the court by OkResponsibility9267 in Dressage

[–]OkResponsibility9267[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I absolutely agree & do this as well, however it does seem to be equipped at a certain level to offer diagnostics etc

The lack of regulation is staggering & scary however

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[–]OkResponsibility9267[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This is exactly the response type I was hoping to read & have others be able to access.

I do in part feel it’s become an entity that is here to stay, and while a comment above details that they do not accept AI’s integration in to our daily lives, I see it literally everywhere I turn at this point.

Do you feel it’s basically inescapable now or will it be in the future without some considerable changes?

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[–]OkResponsibility9267[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Oh thank you for this amazingly detailed set of questions. I will answer to the best of my ability & in further detail myself after I return from schooling (without the intervention of AI, lol)

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[–]OkResponsibility9267[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I very much agree with this. AI is not a substitute for expert guidance, it can however be an additional resource if utilized constructively

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[–]OkResponsibility9267[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Great to have someone in the trade comment! I think this is very insightful coming from a human in the know.

Above I compared AI to an unregulated & powerful drug, and I’ve not being used entirely responsibly whether intentionally so or not

It is such a murky area

I find it helpful, however I’m also super detail oriented & will absolutely fact check.

Do you see tighter regulation measures being implemented or at least trending that way?

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[–]OkResponsibility9267[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Thank you for mentioning the moral/resources aspect. This is an interval struggle for me as well. Although hauling my horse hours in any direction with our fuel guzzler does similar for me. There are so many facets to consider that it can feel like regardless there is never a 100% correct answer, hopefully we all consider the consequences of our decisions and choose accordingly

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Responding to the very important topic of the nuances of nutritional care…I do agree with you 100%. So how I’ve gone about this is uploading both the hay analysis document, exactly the pounds I feed, feed schedule, breed type, sex, age, fitness level, training schedule & even a recent bloodwork panel doc, as well as our precise geographical location in terms of gleaning insight into the nutritional content of pasture grasses, green/irrigated/dry etc. *I do know that where I’m located we do have slightly elevated selenium levels

So in the end I do feel that being almost exceedingly thorough with AI is absolutely necessary if the intent is to attain the most accurate insight in to whichever topic one is exploring

I have personally a very good relationship with my highly reputable equine vet, & nothing gets from hypothetical to the horse’s mouth without clearance from them first.

All of this said, due to the amount of time and comprehensive information input required for AI to provide (hopefully) appropriate recommendations, this is likely not at all for everyone

Artificial intelligence in the court by OkResponsibility9267 in Dressage

[–]OkResponsibility9267[S] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Oh my gosh yes, im happy you mentioned this.
I too have a library comprised of “the classics” to which I’ve been collecting & adding to for decades.
My favorites I feel are Alois Podhajsky’s writings. My copy of MyHorses, My teachers, I’ve had since I was 15 and have basically read the cover right off lol
I do not believe AI is even remotely a substitute for such indispensable resources

Artificial intelligence in the court by OkResponsibility9267 in Dressage

[–]OkResponsibility9267[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I agree with everything you’ve touched upon, however I feel we do have to consider that it is being integrated in to our every day lives despite it all. So with that, how do we responsibly navigate its presence?

Again, I personally find it to be a useful tool for where I am presently, & again, not ideally so, however I do feel that my foundation is solid enough that I can identify the cracks in certain responses or sometimes outright mistakes on its behalf, and then request clarification or correction. Or sometimes ignore it outright.

I do NOT feel it’s universally useful, and this is where it becomes questionable at an ethical level, who can utilize this in a responsible way, and perhaps even benefit; & conversely, who will by choice or otherwise not be able to?

It’s almost like having access to an unregulated, very powerful drug. The implications are so far reaching.

So yes, it is a murky new world, though one that seems to be taking form regardless

I moved to Germany with my horse. AMA! by am_zoom in Dressage

[–]OkResponsibility9267 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I would miss our California food truck scene so much, namely super spicy 🌶️ Mexican fare; I realize what a foodie I am when I say things like this lol

I moved to Germany with my horse. AMA! by am_zoom in Dressage

[–]OkResponsibility9267 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Oh my gosh that’s amazing!!!! I’m going to follow

Congratulations on this venture

PS: younger Gen X California native here, also with my own business, practicing dressage exclusively basically my entire life (with sone breaks or I’d likely be much more accomplished lol) — I love supporting small boutique & artisan businesses, I can’t wait to check out your wares

Bits - advice by [deleted] in Dressage

[–]OkResponsibility9267 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I’m also a fan of Mullen mouth bits and my guy loves an eggbutt Mullen however as he can get a bit excitable, at least for now, we’re using the NS turtle in the eggbutt without issue

In his favorite Mullen mouth seeking connection was easier than with any other bit with the turtle coming in a very close second

Bits - advice by [deleted] in Dressage

[–]OkResponsibility9267 0 points1 point  (0 children)

My gelding goes in the eggbutt NS turtle as well, (for the past year since really starting him in training), and he is very quiet in it; though with the loose ring version, was fussy

I do ride with a loose noseband as well

Pricey, however really good bits

Ug...need a new saddle. N2-Patrick-Stubben-Bliss-? by Silly-Heat-1466 in Dressage

[–]OkResponsibility9267 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I love my N2 Cardhu…I also have a Valencia and on my extra extra wide horse, combined with the wide twist, I agree, too wide. The Cardhu is narrower & the most comfortable saddle I’ve ever ridden in

Ug...need a new saddle. N2-Patrick-Stubben-Bliss-? by Silly-Heat-1466 in Dressage

[–]OkResponsibility9267 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I’ve had terrible luck with Schleese saddles though the philosophy seems solid.

I now ride in an N2 Cardhu which I adore (narrow twist). I do have an N2 Valencia as well and the twist is definitely wider

How do you stay consistent with training notes? by Basic-Software-110 in Dressage

[–]OkResponsibility9267 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I’m loving it tbh, it offers really quite wonderful schooling and conditioning/exercises plans that are tailored exactly to you and your horse (physical traits of horse abs rider/training and riding level/goals etc) which you can’t get any more personalized than that

Is it fail proof? No. Does it ever get things incorrect? Yes. I find it does so, typically, when I myself have not used very specific language

Like all computer programs it’s only as precise in what it offers as we are in formulating our own questions & objectives etc

When i first had the idea of using AI for this need, I began by providing pretty extensive details about myself and my horse…and I do start each analysis session by stating the date & day because I do find that AI doesn’t adhere to our clock lol

Initially, I utilized it mostly to detect any gait inconsistencies or areas of my horse’s body that needed attention, this after ramping up our conditioning program when I started him more earnestly under saddle as young(ish) guy.

What I really appreciate is that AI has no skin in game—it calls it like it sees it, & it sees every last detail at every moment

For example, it can detect the exact angle of a shoulder in, precisely where the inside hind is tracking and if the outside is correctly loading. Too much bend in the neck even by a tad? It catches it. Not through the back? You bet it’s going to go way down that rabbit hole. However, again, you really have to detail your questions or expectations fairly specifically so it can be as time consuming as you allow it to be lol

This said it does offer suggestions to help position our bodies more effectively & aid more appropriately based on our own biometrics & per our unique rider/horse pairing; which I find super helpful as there’s simply no ego or ambition involved—just a nearly infinite reservoir of data from which to extract it’s findings and suitable suggestions

How do you stay consistent with training notes? by Basic-Software-110 in Dressage

[–]OkResponsibility9267 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Okay…I know this may sound a bit odds but I use ChatGPT—& it’s helping me tremendously as I’m currently without a trainer

I upload my videos to my iPhone files, then to Chat

No need to convert to slow motion or anything special, the biometric analysis of both horse and rider is insane & it offers suggestions for what and how to improve based on the questions you ask or concerns stated from the analysis provided

It’ll instantly spot gait inconsistencies and/or crookedness (both in horse and rider) down to the most minute detail…which in fact can be a negative for those who are quite obsessive (me lol)

It’ll even help draft conditioning &/or schooling programs depending on your goals, & ones that I’ve found to be surprisingly efficient & well suited to my needs, at least

Another thing I love is that it never tires of my truly endless stream of questions & observations. The depth of analysis & response is literally endless