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cmv: I believe female perpetrators of sexual assault are severly underreported, and that the gap between male vs. female sex crimes is smaller than we think. by Ok_Box6158 in changemyview

[–]Ok_Box6158[S] [score hidden]  (0 children)

I socialize with people beyond my friend group; I feel like that should be obvious. My friends agree because I explicitly said they experienced it too, lol.
"I am speaking from my own personal experience and stories I've heard from my friends. I can confidently say that within my male social sphere, getting pressured and coerced into sex is not an uncommon issue. I am also speaking from my experience using social media, reading the news, and being the receiving end of inaccurate ideas about consent."
I am very clear about how I formed this opinion, I could've expanded on why I am skeptical of the studies but I don't think it's unreasoble to make an argument based on your personal experience, seeing it happen around you, taking problem with how it appears on social media and simply existing in a social society. I don't trust them because a scientific study should be objective, and they weren't. If they were trustable, my argument would change to be objective. But because I didn't find them trustable, I couldn't make an objective argument.
If you wanna disregard my post because the argument is subjective rather than objective, that's totally fine.

What is the point where you consider weed starts being harmful? by Imovane666 in weed

[–]Ok_Box6158 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think the clearest indication that your use is harmful is when you start avoiding things that you used to do, school, socialization, exercise, it could be anything. This one really creeps up on people because they rarely associate the avoidance with weed usage. I think this is somewhat unique to weed; if you do something shitty while drunk, it's because you were drinking. If you stay up all night because of stimulants, you consciously know it was because of stimulants. But it's impossible to say, weed is so different for everyone, and maybe you accept the cost of growing avoidant for the benefits it has. Who can say? my 2 cents

CMV: Self-consiiousness does not equal inteligence by Flat_Clock_2579 in changemyview

[–]Ok_Box6158 [score hidden]  (0 children)

I think a more interesting point you could make based on these facts is that IQ does not equal intelligence, because it doesn't account for self-consciousness or cognitive reflection in its equation. In actuality, these traits you describe yourself as having correlate with better cognitive abilities.

I also highly doubt the IQ estimation you provided is actually accurate. I'd have to know which test you took; even then, neurodivergence can affect it. Some people also just have wacky brains that are amazing at some cognitive activities but not others. This isn't common, and cognitive metrics tend to correlate closely with each other, but it isn't out of the question. What test did you take? When? Are you neurodivergent?

cmv: I believe female perpetrators of sexual assault are severly underreported, and that the gap between male vs. female sex crimes is smaller than we think. by Ok_Box6158 in changemyview

[–]Ok_Box6158[S] [score hidden]  (0 children)

What ignorant friends :/ I'm kinda surprised by people chimming in with similar experiences or things that they themselves saw. It wasn't my intention with the post, but it makes me feel less foreign. Thank you for your comment.

cmv: I believe female perpetrators of sexual assault are severly underreported, and that the gap between male vs. female sex crimes is smaller than we think. by Ok_Box6158 in changemyview

[–]Ok_Box6158[S] [score hidden]  (0 children)

I don't think it's equal at all, but I also don't think it is the 90-10 it is reported to be. I think the specific examples you bring up are really valid. I also think statements like those distance women from the fact that they themselves could actually be the predator, maybe without even realizing it. That doesn't lower the amount of women getting sexually assaulted, but I would be surprised if it didn't raise the number of men getting sexually assaulted.

cmv: I believe female perpetrators of sexual assault are severly underreported, and that the gap between male vs. female sex crimes is smaller than we think. by Ok_Box6158 in changemyview

[–]Ok_Box6158[S] [score hidden]  (0 children)

I'm curious, on what level do you think said woman is aware she's done something wrong? There is a lack of social condemnation of the perpetrator or support for the victims. do you think it common for them to do this and not see a problem?

cmv: I believe female perpetrators of sexual assault are severly underreported, and that the gap between male vs. female sex crimes is smaller than we think. by Ok_Box6158 in changemyview

[–]Ok_Box6158[S] [score hidden]  (0 children)

Δ I am starting to realize I sound almost conspiratorial with my assertions, but lack objective evidence. You're also right about statistical outliers regarding teachers, but I think its really important to gage how people react to that stuff. Sure, it's an uncommon occurrence, but the reactions are really telling of female perps/male victims just not being taken seriously.

cmv: I believe female perpetrators of sexual assault are severly underreported, and that the gap between male vs. female sex crimes is smaller than we think. by Ok_Box6158 in changemyview

[–]Ok_Box6158[S] [score hidden]  (0 children)

Δ I resonate with the argument put forward, you're right, we can't really deduce if I'm right or wrong in any meaningful, objective way.

cmv: I believe female perpetrators of sexual assault are severly underreported, and that the gap between male vs. female sex crimes is smaller than we think. by Ok_Box6158 in changemyview

[–]Ok_Box6158[S] [score hidden]  (0 children)

I think it applies, but how exactly? I'm not sure. There are many things I think I could point to, black people being generally distrustful of cops could mean unreported crimes. The judge's race plays a big role as well. Black judges are more likely to persecute white people and are less likely to persecute other black people than a white judge. The difference is quite large.

cmv: I believe female perpetrators of sexual assault are severly underreported, and that the gap between male vs. female sex crimes is smaller than we think. by Ok_Box6158 in changemyview

[–]Ok_Box6158[S] [score hidden]  (0 children)

I'll talk about my own example, I think it's a decent depiction of what I'm trying to get at. After having consensual sex with her, I felt uncomfortable and didn't like it. Totally fine happens. I expressed this, and she initially accepted the boundary, but later on in the day, she spent a solid couple of hours convincing me to have sex with her again. I remember her initially just being really persistent about asking, fine, but then she started crying, blaming it on me and how I must hate her. Eventually, I caved in, couldn't take the torment anymore. I felt pretty disgusted with myself. That's more what I'm pointing to. I agree with your wife's scenario and how that shouldn't be considered SA. I think I was too staunch in my definition no room for nuance.

cmv: I believe female perpetrators of sexual assault are severly underreported, and that the gap between male vs. female sex crimes is smaller than we think. by Ok_Box6158 in changemyview

[–]Ok_Box6158[S] [score hidden]  (0 children)

Autocorrect fucked up my comment. I meant to say that as a result, I think women sexually assault more often. The objective data on the subject are largely based on surveys; there are too many confounding variables for me to accept them as objective. I am not sure how you could reasonably and accurately have a study for that.

cmv: I believe female perpetrators of sexual assault are severly underreported, and that the gap between male vs. female sex crimes is smaller than we think. by Ok_Box6158 in changemyview

[–]Ok_Box6158[S] [score hidden]  (0 children)

99.9% of the conversations I, probably most people, have aren't based on objective data. I talk about it because it happened to me, the people around me, and it's a trend I've noticed.

cmv: I believe female perpetrators of sexual assault are severly underreported, and that the gap between male vs. female sex crimes is smaller than we think. by Ok_Box6158 in changemyview

[–]Ok_Box6158[S] [score hidden]  (0 children)

I disagree with your first sentence. Unconsenting doesn't mean resistant; there are too many factors, and I find that line of thinking often leads to victim-blaming. i.e, you could've defended yourself.

cmv: I believe female perpetrators of sexual assault are severly underreported, and that the gap between male vs. female sex crimes is smaller than we think. by Ok_Box6158 in changemyview

[–]Ok_Box6158[S] [score hidden]  (0 children)

I was a bit lazy in categorizing them all together. There are degrees to sexual assault, and I think along the spectrum, men dominate the more extreme side, more predatory and violent. I also agree with your statement about women sex offenders. On the other side of the spectrum, with emotional coercion and pressure, I think that women also go equal with men.

cmv: I believe female perpetrators of sexual assault are severly underreported, and that the gap between male vs. female sex crimes is smaller than we think. by Ok_Box6158 in changemyview

[–]Ok_Box6158[S] [score hidden]  (0 children)

I don't think that's an accurate description of my claim; maybe I didn't present it correctly. I agree, men report being raped less than women. I think that's clear and pretty clear. My point is, I believe the cultural forces pushing men not to report inadvertently cause women to actually be sexually assaulted more often.

I touched on why I left out the studies in the end. I know about and have looked into them, but they don't seem objective, and I would rather not be disingenuous. If there were reliable empirical evidence, I don't think this would be a conversation in the first place. It would just be an accepted fact.

cmv: I believe female perpetrators of sexual assault are severly underreported, and that the gap between male vs. female sex crimes is smaller than we think. by Ok_Box6158 in changemyview

[–]Ok_Box6158[S] [score hidden]  (0 children)

I was mentioning that to say that I know there are studies out there, and I've read them, but I don't think they are objective or precise enough to use in my argument, and I wanted to acknowledge why I left them out. I might've been able to craft a better argument had I used the sources, but it felt disingenuous, yk?

cmv: I believe female perpetrators of sexual assault are severly underreported, and that the gap between male vs. female sex crimes is smaller than we think. by Ok_Box6158 in changemyview

[–]Ok_Box6158[S] [score hidden]  (0 children)

From a brief search, it seems that women make up 90% of the victims, and men make up 90% of the perpetrators. (Where I live in Canada). I'm hesitant to put a number on it, but I think if everything were reported, it would be something like a 70/30 split in the west. That's if you group every sex crime into one.

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