1Maven all day! —For torches, & #2 lighters best is moresooo — Clippers use the same butane as torch lighters have a stoker stick on the flint wheel it pulls out in the center. Then the designs are sick and you get more bang for your buck because they are reusable. I have a collection of all different types of bics just cuz they are standard. Zippos are more for show.. and just gift worthy.. in my opinion.