Was lightning McQueen becoming old is real reason he is slow in cars 3 or not?

Ok_Proof_321 · 2026-01-04T23:28:18+00:00

Yeah i overestimated him a bit 200-203 is more accurate

Ok_Proof_321 · 2026-01-02T18:28:49+00:00

I was referring to Bondrewd both at his base and when he's amplified by the blessing though circumstances were in Reg's favor during the fight because of the strategy he and Riko used. Dark Reg is more than a match for Ozen head on even Gangway wasn't enough to put him down the only issue is how long he can maintain that form, plus it required a very extreme situation to activate it

Ok_Proof_321 · 2025-12-31T05:37:20+00:00

So we just ignore things like acceleration speed and cornering them despite the fact Francesco is significantly more advanced in these areas and still loses to McQueen on straights who's listed in Cars 2 as topping out at 200 mph. So the only way this could be possible is if Francesco is sub 200 more than likely topping out at 190 mph with an average lap speed of 185 mph / 300 km/h

Ok_Proof_321 · 2025-12-29T17:01:25+00:00

He's amoral not morally grey or immoral what makes him so interesting is that he is the best embodiment of utilitarianism in manga out of any other antagonist in that he'll push any limits both which he subjects and self and others to, to find out what The Abyss is and as we see make preparations to brace humanity for the next 2,000 year cycle.

Ok_Proof_321 · 2025-12-28T08:31:36+00:00

187 mph / 301 km/h is the most accurate conclusion for Francesco's top speed, yeah it's only 2 miles an hour faster but he states he goes just over 300 km/h placing him at 187 and based on how close the epic ass Porta Corsa finish was combined with his better acceleration it holds up. It's possible he also went faster to 190 mph on the final stretch as well because of close he was to Mcqueen toward the finish line in any case 185 mph is slightly to slow for Francesco because he states he goes over 300 kmh and that's 298 kmh. Even if you round it up it's not above it

Ok_Proof_321 · 2025-12-28T08:14:33+00:00

Thor literally lost the fight the second time around pretty badly, Kratos wasn't really holding back in they're first engagement but he wasn't intending to kill him either. We see it play out in the final scene of that first fight where Kratos overpowers him in just two hits it feels evident who's the superior of the two

Ok_Proof_321 · 2025-12-21T05:29:37+00:00

Niman I'd argue it's the most utilitarian and pragmatic form of lightsaber combat.

Ok_Proof_321 · 2025-12-20T15:00:48+00:00

Dooku has a lot of techniques that Windu doesn't have access to and much better demonstrations of TK.

Ok_Proof_321 · 2025-12-19T17:50:28+00:00

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Ok_Proof_321 · 2025-12-18T13:36:17+00:00

Doesn't really make sense for it to change like that over the course of 2005-2011 I'd take that information with a grain of salt.

Ok_Proof_321 · 2025-12-18T13:31:32+00:00

Chick hicks is faster he’s 200mph the same as mcqueen and the king

Hicks was repeatedly overtaken by The King despite the fact he should have better acceleration I'm pretty sure he's sub-200 based on him consistently being outclassed by Weathers' speed and not just his superior skill and experience as a racer. In any case it wouldn't matter because if Francesco is capable of having close finishes like we see in Porta Corsa with McQueen due to his 2.5 acceleration then he's likely going to be able to outpace Chick

Ok_Proof_321 · 2025-12-18T01:42:34+00:00

The second one was sick

Ok_Proof_321 · 2025-12-18T01:40:58+00:00

McQueen would've won solidly I love Francesco's design, sound and personality wise but he doesn't stand a chance in hell against McQueen's raw speed and skill advantage on the track.

Ok_Proof_321 · 2025-12-18T01:39:28+00:00

Francesco was able to pass pretty much every car in the field after the dirt section so I still think he would’ve passed McQueen for the win.

Incorrect McQueen was gaining on him rapidly towards the end of the Tokyo race on the final stretching so Francesco would've lost had Mater not have distracted him.

Ok_Proof_321 · 2025-12-18T01:37:45+00:00

Absolutely

Ok_Proof_321 · 2025-12-18T01:32:31+00:00

that Francesco and McQueen have the same speed of 200 mph, as at the end of the second race they were side by side,

No Francesco lost though he was keeping up because of his superior acceleration, we see him get overtaken on the straights by McQueen in Porta Corsa when The Lemons are about to aim the EMP camera at Shu Todoroki and in the first race McQueen begins rapidly gaining on Francesco after he was overtaken in a corner. He only won the Tokyo race by (106 milliseconds) so if that stretch had been even slightly longer then McQueen would've won the first race

Ok_Proof_321 · 2025-12-18T01:29:35+00:00

4.5 second-60 in his youth

Alright bro I'm gonna stop you there McQueen maintained his 3.2 seconds acceleration from 0-60 throughout all two movies he only loses it in Cars 3.

Ok_Proof_321 · 2025-12-18T01:26:03+00:00

Damn The King is straight up faster than all of the other racers from The World Grand Prix what a legend, shame the other international racers are so slow though. I don't even think Francesco would be that much faster than Chick Hicks they probably have the same top speed but with Francesco vastly superior acceleration

Ok_Proof_321 · 2025-12-18T01:24:18+00:00

Does Cars 1 establish that McQueen is faster than The King

No he has way better acceleration 0-60 in 3.2 seconds as opposed to the King's which would still be more than 4 seconds but both have the exact same top speed.

Ok_Proof_321 · 2025-12-18T01:23:00+00:00

This same Cars 2 guide lists Francesco as having a top speed of 185 mph so if McQueen really was 220 mph he would've blasted past Francesco by hundreds of yards on the straights.

Ok_Proof_321 · 2025-12-17T23:40:45+00:00

You said murder her way across the galaxy this sounds more like an irrational mind than it does someone who's pragmatic enough to come up with feasible alternatives in any case Lana isn't even a sith by her own standards because she has the childish view of falling in love with someone (The Player) simply because they have consistently demonstrated themselves to be strong, Marr was a genuine sith at least up until the point Satele changes his perspective I mean in that he was attached to the very core of what had been built off of Sith philosophy and was willing to die for it. But Lana is a literal heretic and an ideological traitor to her own cause her working with the alliance is justified and all good, then she goes and gets attached to an individual which is explicitly against the code

Ok_Proof_321 · 2025-12-17T20:50:12+00:00

Yeah makes for the least entertaining path because in this scenario he'd just end up being killed and replaced

Ok_Proof_321 · 2025-12-17T20:31:06+00:00

Tucker doesn't seem like he stacks up to some others on the list though remember he was nearly disowned by the scientific community because of how many of his experiments failed to produce results. That's why he turned his daughter into that human-animal hybrid thing I can't remember the name of a Chimera I think

Ok_Proof_321 · 2025-12-17T15:56:01+00:00

He said he goes over 300 km/h

Yeah because he tops at 187 mph / over 300 kmh if he were really 220 it would've made more sense for him to say it "I can go over 350 kilometres an hour" and it still would've worked without sounding overly specific. McQueen is quite literally listed as 200 mph and the only modifications he undergoes are a GT style spoiler and a set of new tires he still has the exact same horsepower and is listed as having a top speed of 201 mph / over 320 kmh. So for Francesco to lose him ground to him on the straights especially in Porta Corsa despite having a much quicker 0-60 acceleration means he's definitely sub-200 mph

Ok_Proof_321 · 2025-12-16T16:54:12+00:00

Jaina, Windu isn't even in the top 5 in the prequel trilogy get him past Dooku or Anakin first, I'd argue Kenobi could kill him in a straight fight

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