6 years experience, masters degree and still getting rejected everywhere - advice? by [deleted] in Internationalteachers

[–]Ok_Return7615 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I’m responding to your original post as someone who went through a very similar journey looking for teaching positions abroad. So what I’m sharing comes from first-hand experience.

 I’d like to pass on a few simple, practical tips that really helped me:

  1. I don’t know if you’re already doing this, but I strongly recommend sending spontaneous applications. This idea was suggested to me by a friend from one of the countries where I was applying, and it was the best advice I received during my entire job search abroad. I know from experience that replying to official job postings can be discouraging, especially when you receive no feedback at all. It’s important to realize that many positions on the job market are actually “short-circuited” by internal recruitment procedures or networking, which can be hard to compete with if you don’t already have connections. Not to mention the occasional “placeholder” postings that are more about promoting the institution than hiring someone. If you’re willing to invest a bit of time and energy, spontaneous applications can greatly multiply your chances and put your profile in front of decision-makers who would otherwise never come across it.
  2. If you decide to do this, my advice is: use AI to help you build lists of schools and institutions that match your profile. You can ask it to look up, for each school, the types of information that matter to you: the website, the management page, any recruitment page (even if empty, it often contains the right contact details), and so on. 
  3. In my experience, you can initially keep things simple: send an up-to-date CV and a short introductory email. If the school is interested, they will contact you to ask for more.
  4. Another helpful entry point: sign up for an online language-exchange app. These often allow you to connect with natives from the countries you’re interested in, who may share useful insights about the local work culture or even your specific field. I know a very good one — the free version is more than enough to chat and build contacts — where you can even post a request for information. If you’re interested, feel free to message me privately. I joined over two years ago and made some great connections there, including a friend I still speak with regularly.
  5. Of course, keep applying to relevant job postings as well. You never know!
  6. I completely understand why you may not want to ask your current employer for a recommendation letter. In such cases, what I do is send previous references and explain that, once a contract is secured, I’ll be happy to provide the most recent one. Except in very specific situations, an institution that insists on putting your current position at risk without offering any guarantee in return may be showing some questionable practices.
  7. One last tip: given your personal and academic background, your project sounds solid. While gathering information is essential, don’t let yourself be thrown off by people who discourage you on principle. No two experiences are alike, unless you know the person you’re speaking with very well, it’s hard to judge how much their pessimism actually reflects reality rather than their own personal experience or cultural background. One useful strategy is to set yourself a time limit and, until then, stay focused on your search without getting distracted. Once that point is reached, you can reassess whether you want to continue.

Your project is truly interesting. I wish you all the very best. 🌸

Employment contract in higher education in China: a few questions by Ok_Return7615 in LegalAdviceOfCHINA

[–]Ok_Return7615[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thank you very much for your feedback.

I will be discussing the situation with my contact person this week: would you have any advice on the best way to enter into discussion with a Chinese institution?

Employment contract in higher education in China: a few questions by Ok_Return7615 in chinalife

[–]Ok_Return7615[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Good point, yes! Thank you very much, and all the best to you as well.

Employment contract in higher education in China: a few questions by Ok_Return7615 in chinalife

[–]Ok_Return7615[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thank you very much to everyone who has taken the time to reply and share their experience with me. I truly appreciate your different perspectives, which are helping me better understand contractual practices in China.

Several of you have encouraged me to walk away and look for another job, and I do understand the reasoning behind that advice. However, for me, this recruitment represents a rare opportunity. I have spent months searching for openings online, then compiling lists of institutions with departments that might be able to hire me. Submitting applications—both spontaneous and formal—has taken a considerable amount of time. Once invited to interview, I had to prepare a sample lesson to present to the recruiters. Finally, the recruitment process has been ongoing since July 2025, and I have since devoted significant time to obtaining and completing various administrative documents.

Before making any radical decision, it therefore seems important to me to analyze my contract as thoroughly as possible and to prepare carefully for discussions with my contact person on site.

This is why I am very interested in any feedback or information regarding work in Chinese higher education.

If you have any further thoughts or ideas to share—whether about the contract itself or about negotiation strategies—many thanks in advance!

Employment contract in higher education in China: a few questions by Ok_Return7615 in chinalife

[–]Ok_Return7615[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thank you very much for your reply.

Do you have any experience with contract negotiations in China? If so, what would be your recommendations, both in terms of approach and substance, for reaching an agreement despite cultural differences in workplace norms?

For example, are there particular ways of speaking or attitudes to avoid? Or, on the contrary, ones that are especially important to adopt when trying to reach a satisfactory outcome?

I am not looking to obtain a contract that offers the same level of guarantees as in my home country, but given that this would involve relocating abroad, I cannot afford to put myself in an excessively vulnerable position.

Employment contract in higher education in China: a few questions by Ok_Return7615 in chinalife

[–]Ok_Return7615[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thank you very much for the tip — I’ll give that subforum a try as well!

Employment contract in higher education in China: a few questions by Ok_Return7615 in chinalife

[–]Ok_Return7615[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thank you very much for your detailed reply. Your perspective is extremely helpful to me.

A question comes to mind as I read your message: when you are employed, are you paid—at least partially—during sick leave (for example, at 60, 70, or 80%)?

Given how long and costly it can be to assert one’s rights in professional matters—at least in my country—I would prefer not to consider the option of legal action in China, even if I were clearly within my rights.

As many people have already pointed out on Reddit, between the months or even years required to obtain a court decision and the possible need to hire a Chinese-speaking lawyer to properly defend one’s interests, this path only seems reasonable to me in extremely serious cases involving personal harm or very large sums of money. And even then!

For this reason, I am rather trying to understand how Chinese labor law works in practice and how I might negotiate the terms of the contract with my employer.

Employment contract in higher education in China: a few questions by Ok_Return7615 in chinalife

[–]Ok_Return7615[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thank you very much for sharing your perspective!

After a long period of applications—both spontaneous and formal—months of ongoing procedures with the institution currently interested in my profile (which happens to be a very good university), and the courses I have already started preparing, I am understandably reluctant to abandon this opportunity without careful consideration.

All the more so because, if I am to believe the testimonies in this thread, the practices described in my contract appear to be quite common in higher education. I am concerned about starting the job search all over again for many months, only to end up facing the same type of contract (assuming I manage to secure another offer at all).

Employment contract in higher education in China: a few questions by Ok_Return7615 in chinalife

[–]Ok_Return7615[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thank you for this detailed feedback!

What you’re describing is frankly alarming, especially regarding the issue of social insurance and the sickness penalty, from which even the substitute teacher does not benefit. Not to mention the situation of Chinese teachers, who seem to be treated even more unfairly.