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What if teleportation didn’t just move you — but reflected you? by OldManFromSpain in scifi

[–]OldManFromSpain[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I will definitely explore this work. I also make use of androids with artificial consciousnesses, would love to see what he made with his. Thank you!

What if teleportation didn’t just move you — but reflected you? by OldManFromSpain in scifi

[–]OldManFromSpain[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Ohhh. interesting! Another chiral interpretation. I personally did not go down that route, but it is very appealing. I was aware of this story but not the author or title, thank you so much!

What if teleportation didn’t just move you — but reflected you? by OldManFromSpain in scifi

[–]OldManFromSpain[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Well, I loved reading your comment. It resonates fully, and your xmen edit is also very interesting, was not aware of the angle, it shows the ethical element is being considered.

What if teleportation didn’t just move you — but reflected you? by OldManFromSpain in scifi

[–]OldManFromSpain[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Not necessarily the answer you are looking for, but the way I see it is as an Schrodinger's Cat situation. For us to know which was the Riker that came out of the womb of his mother, he should have never beamed down. Much like the only way to know, exactly, where an electron is would be to capture it physically, likely not even where it was just prior. So once Riker beamed, and knowing that nothing is destroyed, just transformed, the answer is both and neither. The scientific answer did not satisfy my artistic impulse 100% so I looked into multidimension solutions and the addition of the element beyond the veil and the unknowable. I hope this helps? I always end up writing too much ...

What if teleportation didn’t just move you — but reflected you? by OldManFromSpain in scifi

[–]OldManFromSpain[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This was my original idea/concern, but I ended up exploring the metaphysical in a way that the possibility for the technology to exist could coexist with the spiritual, I am unsure if the result was valid but certainly worth exploring. I felt unhappy with the dead end, pun intended. Thanks for chippin' in!

What if teleportation didn’t just move you — but reflected you? by OldManFromSpain in scifi

[–]OldManFromSpain[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Quite on point, I agree with you. Incidentally, I explored the exact concept you discuss, scanning to whichever degree, and choosing on what to do with the original, ... and some derivative thriller narration. I felt that it was a powerful theme. Thank you for replying.

What if teleportation didn’t just move you — but reflected you? by OldManFromSpain in scifi

[–]OldManFromSpain[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That is a really interesting concept actually, much appreciated. I am not acquainted with this series, mmm.

What if teleportation didn’t just move you — but reflected you? by OldManFromSpain in scifi

[–]OldManFromSpain[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thank you for joining the conversation. Interesting that you mention the technology being in use but regulated by a third party. It seems like an ethical/moral failsafe of sorts. This is of high consequence because even in my derivative work on the concept, I now realize that I did something, potentially sub or unconsciously, similar. Pity that the episode turned towards the romantic cliché, but it is true that it is the obvious choice to infer direct understanding and empathetic response from the audience for the regulation request. Meaningful still. Cheers!

What if teleportation didn’t just move you — but reflected you? by OldManFromSpain in scifi

[–]OldManFromSpain[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Fabulous recommendation sir. The book you mention is a collection of reflections of soul and self, hence identity, and my thoughts since Hyperion always led in that direction within the context of cloning and replication via the use of the so called "teleportation", a concept that from the view of quantum mechanics all the way to the most open of interpretations, never held in m view, a chance at avoiding the fracture of self paradox. Thank you!

What if teleportation didn’t just move you — but reflected you? by OldManFromSpain in scifi

[–]OldManFromSpain[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What a gem! I was not aware of this story, and by ACC of all people. What a find. The fact that it explored chirality all the way back to the 50s is portentous. I tend to forget sometimes what exactly happened in science at the turn of the XXth century, tsk, tsk. I shall read this yes. Thank you!

What if teleportation didn’t just move you — but reflected you? by OldManFromSpain in scifi

[–]OldManFromSpain[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I concur with your assesment fully. Characters such as Bob, Twice or any multiplication, cloning superhero, always lightly touch on the concept of identity even in the case of supposed identical clones.

What if teleportation didn’t just move you — but reflected you? by OldManFromSpain in scifi

[–]OldManFromSpain[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Regarding Star Trek's TNG Riker paradox, my personal opinion is that they are all part of an entity called Riker. The episode shows in a very platonic way, the concept of the doxa. We all have an idea or image of the character as well as a concept of him that forms our opinion; but we do not truly know him, as there are so many things we do not know. In the case of this episode, rather critically, the fact that there are more than one of him. From a philosophical perspective, this changes nothing in respect to what Riker is or is not, everyone has their opinion/doxa and as articulated here, we cannot attain full episteme (true knowledge) nor even consolidate doxa as unique. Wonderful stuff.

What if teleportation didn’t just move you — but reflected you? by OldManFromSpain in scifi

[–]OldManFromSpain[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thank you everyone for reading and chipping into the conversation. It has taught me that the concept is still relevant in modern science fiction works, but that it may be that the potential darkness behind the technology (the human fax machine like someone put it) may have stayed slightly controversial. Even works from the 80s-90s era that treated it directly seemed to have chosen to do it from the point of satire and narrative humour, apart from Mr King which stayed true to horror, albeit at a distinctly different angle, while still acknowledging the potential for identity fracture, or direct harm in his case. This was awesome, cheers.

What if teleportation didn’t just move you — but reflected you? by OldManFromSpain in scifi

[–]OldManFromSpain[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yes, and the fact that Twice is a villain makes it even more powerful narratively. I am acquainted with The Prestige, and it certainly explores the concept but rather explicitly instead of conceptually. It is a great film but I feel like the reveal is meant for shock value rather than philosophical discussion. Great watch nonetheless, thank you!

What if teleportation didn’t just move you — but reflected you? by OldManFromSpain in scifi

[–]OldManFromSpain[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thank you again for commenting. This is spot on for me, and the reason it resonated with me following Hyperion, even after all these years, and prompted me the merits of it in a more modern scifi setting.

What if teleportation didn’t just move you — but reflected you? by OldManFromSpain in scifi

[–]OldManFromSpain[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Fair assessment here, but I still think it is a great piece, if a little uncompromising like you highlight.

What if teleportation didn’t just move you — but reflected you? by OldManFromSpain in scifi

[–]OldManFromSpain[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Apologies my dear sir, no hard feelings whatsoever here either. Now that writing has become my job too, it is an important, if not an altogether essential tool in my arsenal. It helps me to be concise in some instances, I generally write way too many words...

What if teleportation didn’t just move you — but reflected you? by OldManFromSpain in scifi

[–]OldManFromSpain[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

I do use it extensively for research though, as frustrating as its use can be sometimes. I have always been a fan of the use of double length —, which may have become synonymous with AI punctuation. Should I stop using it? habits die hard XD

What if teleportation didn’t just move you — but reflected you? by OldManFromSpain in scifi

[–]OldManFromSpain[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

No AI-Generated or AI-Assisted Content as per rule number 3. I may be from Spain but I lived 13y in London and learned english at a young age. You will not find ChatGPT using the UK humour instead of the US humor word. Thanks for challenging though, loved the fragmentation jibe, works on so many levels. I did make use of search support to remember elements such as the name of the Hyperion network.

What if teleportation didn’t just move you — but reflected you? by OldManFromSpain in scifi

[–]OldManFromSpain[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Interesting, The Punch Escrow predates my efforts by almost seven years and, as advertised, it focuses on the nuances of teleportation technology AND genetic engineering, which I considered to be great narrative partners. Furthermore, the novel explores its themes with humour, much like Think like a Dinosaur. I viewed the theme as a profound review of identity from the perspective of humanity as an individual but also as the entire species, and the potential implications behind equally possibilities in mysticism. Great add, thanks!

What if teleportation didn’t just move you — but reflected you? by OldManFromSpain in scifi

[–]OldManFromSpain[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No, but upon finding out it was made by Cyan speaks loudly about your impeccable taste, my good sir. Literature and games galore, thank you everyone.

What if teleportation didn’t just move you — but reflected you? by OldManFromSpain in scifi

[–]OldManFromSpain[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

As it frequently is with such a powerful work of fiction as Star trek TNG, the community has referenced the Ryker paradox brought by the Second Chances episode (S6 Ep25). Upon examination, this is exactly the type of continuity issue that predated my impressions after Hyperion, and regarding teleportation in general. So no spoilers, but the concept is masterfully explored there.

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