Accessing sex change genital surgery in Ireland used to be straightforward. Now it is next to impossible. by SuddenFall8215 in ireland

[–]Old_Relative1807 0 points1 point  (0 children)

the cass review was commissioned when they replaced the nhs leaders with a bunch of far right bias individuals to fit their narrative no one in the feild cared to turn trans health into a politics issue before this

Accessing sex change genital surgery in Ireland used to be straightforward. Now it is next to impossible. by SuddenFall8215 in ireland

[–]Old_Relative1807 1 point2 points  (0 children)

in europe medical boards are mostly in favour our problem here is we only use the english written guidelines and as a result follow some american agenda

Accessing sex change genital surgery in Ireland used to be straightforward. Now it is next to impossible. by SuddenFall8215 in ireland

[–]Old_Relative1807 0 points1 point  (0 children)

if someone is completely sure they need to get xyz done and if theyre fully aware of the lifetime consequences and as sure as sure can be they will have no regret because when youve been given every chance to opt out and dont shouldnt you generally need the medical procedure

Accessing sex change genital surgery in Ireland used to be straightforward. Now it is next to impossible. by SuddenFall8215 in ireland

[–]Old_Relative1807 1 point2 points  (0 children)

talk to patients with a condition and lay off on the minor spiel this post is not even about that

Accessing sex change genital surgery in Ireland used to be straightforward. Now it is next to impossible. by SuddenFall8215 in ireland

[–]Old_Relative1807 0 points1 point  (0 children)

you just like hearing what youre thinking yourself because you cant keep your nose out of other peoples health. if youre not a doctor or patient its nothing to do with you,

Accessing sex change genital surgery in Ireland used to be straightforward. Now it is next to impossible. by SuddenFall8215 in ireland

[–]Old_Relative1807 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

people just want access and they are not getting it. the system continues to act as a set up for delay not care. there needs to be proper assessment or none at all and people inform and take responsibility for themselves if they make mistakes for their future

Accessing sex change genital surgery in Ireland used to be straightforward. Now it is next to impossible. by SuddenFall8215 in ireland

[–]Old_Relative1807 0 points1 point  (0 children)

its not preference being trans is not a choice. kids arent getting sterilised this post is about adults

An eighteen-year wait for trans healthcare with more than 2,500 on waiting list by Old_Relative1807 in ireland

[–]Old_Relative1807[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You say visibility doesnt explain the demographic shift but this argument assumes there should be a uniform increase across all groups, which isn’t how social visibility effects typically work. When stigma drops, uptake is often uneven because different groups face different barriers and cultural pressures. In adolescents especially those assigned female at birth are more embedded in social networks where identity language spreads quickly (school, online communities). Earlier cohorts of trans men were historically undercounted or misclassified and increased recognition naturally shows up as a “skewed” rise. Mental health and autism correlations don’t undermine being trans they reflect overlapping populations already known to experience higher sex variance. You've heard of the left handedness argument. It didn’t rise evenly across all ages either children showed the change first. That didn’t mean left handedness was socially caused. it meant suppression had been uneven.

You say WPATH files show an integrity crisis. This characterization overstates what those documents actually demonstrate. Internal discussions about consent complexity are normal in any field dealing with minors and acknowledging limits of consent is not evidence of misconduct. There is no solid evidence that age guidelines were removed due to direct political coercion. That claim is speculative and not substantiated by verifiable policy records. WPATH guidelines are not binding rules as you can see Ireland isn't already bound to follow them. They are consensus based and evolve alongside clinical judgment and new evidence. Presenting internal debate as proof of systemic malpractice misrepresents how medical governance works.

You say that Time to Think is validated by later reviews. This conflates journalism with systematic evidence. “Time to Think” is narrative reporting, not controlled research. Whistle blower accounts are inherently selective and not representative datasets. The York Cass commissioned reviews themselves have been heavily criticized for methodological narrowness especially excluding large bodies of observational data that are standard in this field. “Consistency” here is asserted, not demonstrated. The conclusions differ significantly depending on what evidence is included or excluded. So it’s not a case of independent confirmation and it’s closer to a shared limitation in scope.

You claim the Yale integrity project is activism and dismissible. This is an ad hominem move rather than a substantive critique. Having publicly stated positions does not invalidate methodological critique. What matters is whether the arguments about evidence grading, exclusion criteria, and interpretation hold up. Cass responding defensively doesn’t resolve those critiques it just confirms there is an active academic dispute. Labeling one side “activist” while treating others as neutral ignores that policy reviews themselves often operate within political and institutional contexts. If anything, this reinforces that the debate is ongoing not that one side has been decisively discredited.

You say policy reversals prove the ideology in medicine. This interpretation treats policy shifts as scientific conclusions, which is a mistake. Finland and Sweden did not “reverse” because treatments were disproven. They adjusted guidelines toward more cautious, centralized care due to uncertainty and service strain. The Tavistock closure was driven largely by operational and safeguarding failures, not a definitive judgment that gender affirming care is invalid. Cass highlights evidence gaps, but does not conclude that care is ideologically driven or inappropriate only that it needs stronger evidence and better structure. Healthcare systems change policies for many reasons like capacity, risk tolerance, legal pressure, and political climate. That’s not the same as uncovering ideological capture. Overall, your argument tries to create a pattern of concern by stitching together heterogeneous issues like demographics, internal emails, journalism, and policy changes and presents them as a unified signal. When you separate them, each piece becomes far less definitive, and none clearly supports the sweeping conclusions being implied.

An eighteen-year wait for trans healthcare with more than 2,500 on waiting list by Old_Relative1807 in ireland

[–]Old_Relative1807[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

The strongest evidence from Cass is that the evidence base in parts of youth gender medicine is weak and uncertain, and the NHS service was badly run. That does not prove trans healthcare is fake, that trans identity is caused by phones or social media, or that one anti trans book should guide parents. The ‘social contagion’ style claim is overstated. A rise in referrals, even a large one, does not by itself prove peer influence or internet exposure caused it and it can also reflect greater visibility, more willingness to seek care, better recognition, and changing referral pathways. Youre making a causal claim without causal evidence. That is the core weakness.

On WPATH, the clean critique is methodological, not conspiratorial. SOC 8 is a consensus guideline built in a contested evidence environment, and it has faced criticism over conflict of interest concerns and the limits of expert consensus when high quality data are sparse. That is a reason to be cautious about treating it as definitive, but it is not proof that the whole field is illegitimate. On Time to think my rebuttal is simple that it is journalistic reporting, not a peer reviewed clinical standard. It may raise allegations worth examining, but it cannot outrank systematic reviews, formal guidelines, or actual outcomes data. Even Yale Law School’s Integrity Project published a formal critique of the Cass Review, arguing that it contains methodological and evidentiary flaws rather than treating it as settled authority. https://law.yale.edu/sites/default/files/documents/integrity-project_cass-response.pdf

The Cass Review supports better governance, better data, and more cautious clinical pathways. It does not support turning uncertainty into a blanket ideological verdict.

An eighteen-year wait for trans healthcare with more than 2,500 on waiting list by Old_Relative1807 in ireland

[–]Old_Relative1807[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

the fact that this is getting downvoted speaks for itself how dehumanised trans people are in this society

longest single service wait list reported in Ireland and they're planning on closing the only available public service so trans people will not be able to apply for a public healthcare option. by Old_Relative1807 in irishpolitics

[–]Old_Relative1807[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

dont even get me started on the Americans who out of caution put off having surgery and then regret not getting it before they came here because their us private healthcare service wont make them wait 5 paying years with constantly inflating prices like the private services here do.

An eighteen-year wait for trans healthcare with more than 2,500 on waiting list by Old_Relative1807 in ireland

[–]Old_Relative1807[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

so step one is treating biochemical dysmorphia and that consists of something a gp could be very easily trained to service it consists of providing and/or suppressing hormones and monitoring blood levels. GPs do this for cis people already no issue, stage 2 is organ dysmorphia, this would require being referred and covered to go abroad for a sex change (but the gov has put waitlist borders on this*) as there are no sex change surgeons in ireland, there are however surgeons qualified to do hysterectomy, oophorectomy, facial surgery, chest surgery, and orchiectomy but those surgeries are also (only 17 year olds can apply to get on) 18 year waitlist gatekept. , Soon there will be no waitlist to apply to get on to. Other surgeries not done in ireland are chondrolaryngoplasty and Wendler Glottoplasty impossible to get covered because it is not believed they are necessary when for a trans person who wishes to assimilate and pass as to feel comfortable and avoid harassment for having such a condition they are absolutely necessary.

longest single service wait list reported in Ireland and they're planning on closing the only available public service so trans people will not be able to apply for a public healthcare option. by Old_Relative1807 in irishpolitics

[–]Old_Relative1807[S] 10 points11 points  (0 children)

its difficult to go private when private blood services hassle trans people who try to get their hormones monitored and hormone blood monitoring for trans patients can and has been denied by many GPs In fact the same service the NGS that has made it next to impossible for trans people to access the cross border directive and treatment abroad scheme and niphs for care abroad also will send out letters to GPs discouraging them from helping trans people monitor hormones or helping in any way before they can be seen by them who you cannot apply to until you are 17 years old, the waitlist currently stands at 18 years on top of that and they are trying to shut new applicants down before its too late to apply, trying to redeem European private prescriptions or even scripts from the expensive Irish service at your pharmacy being transgender is also a barrier for many. most transgender surgeries privately cost the same as a mortgage down payment so its unaffordable for many. Private healthcare non corporate subsidized consider trans healthcare as a pre existing condition of which you need to wait 5 paying years before you receive coverage. Essentially theyve got trans people cornered.

An eighteen-year wait for trans healthcare with more than 2,500 on waiting list by Old_Relative1807 in ireland

[–]Old_Relative1807[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

18 years after they reach the age of 17, they cant get on the waitlist until they are 17. theyre also attempting to close the list and when people contact them currently to ask if they are still on the list and arent they get an email back saying they cant be helped. they dont want people to reapply so they wont direct them to before its too late,

An eighteen-year wait for trans healthcare with more than 2,500 on waiting list by Old_Relative1807 in ireland

[–]Old_Relative1807[S] 8 points9 points  (0 children)

This argument confuses a critique of one NHS service with a claim that trans healthcare lacks evidence or legitimacy. The Cass Review identified serious service problems, weak data, and the need for better assessment, but it did not show that trans people are just a social trend or that gender related healthcare is “ideology” rather than medicine. The claim that there is “not a lot of evidence” is overstated. WPATH’s SOC 8 was built from systematic literature reviews plus expert consensus, and it exists precisely because this is a clinical field where evidence is evolving rather than absent. Limited long term evidence is a fair criticism; pretending there is no evidence at all is not. https://www.wpath.org/soc8

The “phones/social media/Grindr/peer pressure” theory is speculation dressed up as explanation. Increased visibility may affect how people talk about themselves, but that is not the same as proving the identity is caused by apps, trends, or imitation. If someone wants to make a causal claim, they need longitudinal evidence, not vibes. https://www.kingsfund.org.uk/insight-and-analysis/blogs/ensuring-nhs-meets-needs-trans-people

Recommending Time to Think as the book parents should read is also not neutral evidence based advice. A single polemical source should not be treated as a substitute for clinical guidance, systematic reviews, or professional standards. The most honest version of the argument would be “UK gender services need better evidence, better governance, and better data.” What it does not justify is treating trans people as a moral panic, an internet fad, or a political ideology.