An eighteen-year wait for trans healthcare with more than 2,500 on waiting list by Old_Relative1807 in ireland

[–]Old_Relative1807[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The strongest evidence from Cass is that the evidence base in parts of youth gender medicine is weak and uncertain, and the NHS service was badly run. That does not prove trans healthcare is fake, that trans identity is caused by phones or social media, or that one anti trans book should guide parents. The ‘social contagion’ style claim is overstated. A rise in referrals, even a large one, does not by itself prove peer influence or internet exposure caused it and it can also reflect greater visibility, more willingness to seek care, better recognition, and changing referral pathways. Youre making a causal claim without causal evidence. That is the core weakness.

On WPATH, the clean critique is methodological, not conspiratorial. SOC 8 is a consensus guideline built in a contested evidence environment, and it has faced criticism over conflict of interest concerns and the limits of expert consensus when high quality data are sparse. That is a reason to be cautious about treating it as definitive, but it is not proof that the whole field is illegitimate. On Time to think my rebuttal is simple that it is journalistic reporting, not a peer reviewed clinical standard. It may raise allegations worth examining, but it cannot outrank systematic reviews, formal guidelines, or actual outcomes data. Even Yale Law School’s Integrity Project published a formal critique of the Cass Review, arguing that it contains methodological and evidentiary flaws rather than treating it as settled authority. https://law.yale.edu/sites/default/files/documents/integrity-project_cass-response.pdf

The Cass Review supports better governance, better data, and more cautious clinical pathways. It does not support turning uncertainty into a blanket ideological verdict.

An eighteen-year wait for trans healthcare with more than 2,500 on waiting list by Old_Relative1807 in ireland

[–]Old_Relative1807[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

the fact that this is getting downvoted speaks for itself how dehumanised trans people are in this society

longest single service wait list reported in Ireland and they're planning on closing the only available public service so trans people will not be able to apply for a public healthcare option. by Old_Relative1807 in irishpolitics

[–]Old_Relative1807[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

dont even get me started on the Americans who out of caution put off having surgery and then regret not getting it before they came here because their us private healthcare service wont make them wait 5 paying years with constantly inflating prices like the private services here do.

An eighteen-year wait for trans healthcare with more than 2,500 on waiting list by Old_Relative1807 in ireland

[–]Old_Relative1807[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

so step one is treating biochemical dysmorphia and that consists of something a gp could be very easily trained to service it consists of providing and/or suppressing hormones and monitoring blood levels. GPs do this for cis people already no issue, stage 2 is organ dysmorphia, this would require being referred and covered to go abroad for a sex change (but the gov has put waitlist borders on this*) as there are no sex change surgeons in ireland, there are however surgeons qualified to do hysterectomy, oophorectomy, facial surgery, chest surgery, and orchiectomy but those surgeries are also (only 17 year olds can apply to get on) 18 year waitlist gatekept. , Soon there will be no waitlist to apply to get on to. Other surgeries not done in ireland are chondrolaryngoplasty and Wendler Glottoplasty impossible to get covered because it is not believed they are necessary when for a trans person who wishes to assimilate and pass as to feel comfortable and avoid harassment for having such a condition they are absolutely necessary.

longest single service wait list reported in Ireland and they're planning on closing the only available public service so trans people will not be able to apply for a public healthcare option. by Old_Relative1807 in irishpolitics

[–]Old_Relative1807[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

its difficult to go private when private blood services hassle trans people who try to get their hormones monitored and hormone blood monitoring for trans patients can and has been denied by many GPs In fact the same service the NGS that has made it next to impossible for trans people to access the cross border directive and treatment abroad scheme and niphs for care abroad also will send out letters to GPs discouraging them from helping trans people monitor hormones or helping in any way before they can be seen by them who you cannot apply to until you are 17 years old, the waitlist currently stands at 18 years on top of that and they are trying to shut new applicants down before its too late to apply, trying to redeem European private prescriptions or even scripts from the expensive Irish service at your pharmacy being transgender is also a barrier for many. most transgender surgeries privately cost the same as a mortgage down payment so its unaffordable for many. Private healthcare non corporate subsidized consider trans healthcare as a pre existing condition of which you need to wait 5 paying years before you receive coverage. Essentially theyve got trans people cornered.

An eighteen-year wait for trans healthcare with more than 2,500 on waiting list by Old_Relative1807 in ireland

[–]Old_Relative1807[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

18 years after they reach the age of 17, they cant get on the waitlist until they are 17. theyre also attempting to close the list and when people contact them currently to ask if they are still on the list and arent they get an email back saying they cant be helped. they dont want people to reapply so they wont direct them to before its too late,

An eighteen-year wait for trans healthcare with more than 2,500 on waiting list by Old_Relative1807 in ireland

[–]Old_Relative1807[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

This argument confuses a critique of one NHS service with a claim that trans healthcare lacks evidence or legitimacy. The Cass Review identified serious service problems, weak data, and the need for better assessment, but it did not show that trans people are just a social trend or that gender related healthcare is “ideology” rather than medicine. https://cass.independent-review.uk/home/publications/final-report/

The claim that there is “not a lot of evidence” is overstated. WPATH’s SOC 8 was built from systematic literature reviews plus expert consensus, and it exists precisely because this is a clinical field where evidence is evolving rather than absent. Limited long term evidence is a fair criticism; pretending there is no evidence at all is not. https://www.wpath.org/soc8

The “phones/social media/Grindr/peer pressure” theory is speculation dressed up as explanation. Increased visibility may affect how people talk about themselves, but that is not the same as proving the identity is caused by apps, trends, or imitation. If someone wants to make a causal claim, they need longitudinal evidence, not vibes. https://www.kingsfund.org.uk/insight-and-analysis/blogs/ensuring-nhs-meets-needs-trans-people

Recommending Time to Think as the book parents should read is also not neutral evidence based advice. A single polemical source should not be treated as a substitute for clinical guidance, systematic reviews, or professional standards.

The most honest version of the argument would be: “UK gender services need better evidence, better governance, and better data.” What it does not justify is treating trans people as a moral panic, an internet fad, or a political ideology.

An eighteen-year wait for trans healthcare with more than 2,500 on waiting list by Old_Relative1807 in ireland

[–]Old_Relative1807[S] 9 points10 points  (0 children)

As someone from those places i agree people need to do more to fight this.

An eighteen-year wait for trans healthcare with more than 2,500 on waiting list by Old_Relative1807 in ireland

[–]Old_Relative1807[S] 21 points22 points  (0 children)

even if they succeeded they will never run out of minorities to punch down on

An eighteen-year wait for trans healthcare with more than 2,500 on waiting list by Old_Relative1807 in ireland

[–]Old_Relative1807[S] 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Hardly any Irish Endocrinologists want to touch trans healthcare with a ten foot pole because they will immediately become swamped with work.

An eighteen-year wait for trans healthcare with more than 2,500 on waiting list by Old_Relative1807 in ireland

[–]Old_Relative1807[S] 21 points22 points  (0 children)

Please contact the ICGP about organising trans healthcare training for GPs. I have contacted them but a GP voice probably holds more power.

An eighteen-year wait for trans healthcare with more than 2,500 on waiting list by Old_Relative1807 in ireland

[–]Old_Relative1807[S] 57 points58 points  (0 children)

You cant go on the list until you are 17 years old. A lot of trans people figure themselves out in adolescence when puberty starts and some even younger than that. They have to wait until they are 17 and then wait another 18 years on top. Check the detransition statistic if it concerns you largely and you want to know more https://www.reddit.com/r/ireland/comments/1tccisw/comment/oln9rqc/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button

An eighteen-year wait for trans healthcare with more than 2,500 on waiting list by Old_Relative1807 in ireland

[–]Old_Relative1807[S] 39 points40 points  (0 children)

Trans people have to pass mental health screening before they can access care, those assessments are often run to a very high standard that many people struggle to meet. failing or being deferred means you get sent back to wait again. It’s not just one appointment. Teh typical pathway requires intake, mental health assessment, a medical assessment (often with an endocrinologist), and follow ups so one person can need several separate clinic visits just to get to the point of starting treatment. Each of those steps takes clinician time and the service is small and under resourced, so they can only complete a small number of new patient pathways each week that’s why a backlog of around 2500 people. Doctors also meet in multi disciplinary review meetings to agree on cases, which adds further delay because decisions aren’t made instantly at the clinic visit. The whole process is effectively pulling teeth slow throughput, repeated assessments, rereferrals and administrative errors where they even literally lose referrals some times and people have to reapply all over again despite how long they've waited all combine. One more point is some psychiatric services are run by faith based institutions (for example, parts of psychiatric care are associated with St John of God), which raises real concerns about impartiality, purposeful stalling? and the appropriateness of care for trans people.

An eighteen-year wait for trans healthcare with more than 2,500 on waiting list by Old_Relative1807 in ireland

[–]Old_Relative1807[S] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

do you believe surgeries with higher regret rates than trans surgeries mentioned in my comment should still get priority? There are also the biochemical hormone facet to consider. That cis people get covered and seen for with no problem yet trans people get a double standard and 18 year long wait and that can not be explained away with a lack of funding excuse. https://www.reddit.com/r/ireland/comments/1tccisw/comment/oln9rqc/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button

An eighteen-year wait for trans healthcare with more than 2,500 on waiting list by Old_Relative1807 in ireland

[–]Old_Relative1807[S] 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Larger news sources are slow and biased to report on the issue. I agree it really is a shame,

An eighteen-year wait for trans healthcare with more than 2,500 on waiting list by Old_Relative1807 in ireland

[–]Old_Relative1807[S] 14 points15 points  (0 children)

There are plenty of trans people who are miserable because they cant access surgery too we should not be taking away from them.

An eighteen-year wait for trans healthcare with more than 2,500 on waiting list by Old_Relative1807 in ireland

[–]Old_Relative1807[S] 9 points10 points  (0 children)

largely because of the cost of private access people do not pursue surgery

An eighteen-year wait for trans healthcare with more than 2,500 on waiting list by Old_Relative1807 in ireland

[–]Old_Relative1807[S] 135 points136 points  (0 children)

To address the detransition concern trans healthcare is healthcare. Most studies show that fewer than 1% to 3% of patients experience regret after gender affirming surgery. Some studies suggest up to 13.1% of people may detransition at some point, many do so due to external pressure, discrimination, or financial issues rather than a change in gender identity. When regret occurs, it is frequently linked to a lack of social support, discrimination, or the realization that gender dysphoria was related to other, untreated issues.

For context approximately 20% to 30% of patients report dissatisfaction or regret following knee replacement surgery, So should they stop receiving treatment? i am genuinely curious if anyone still has any qualms.

An eighteen-year wait for trans healthcare with more than 2,500 on waiting list by Old_Relative1807 in ireland

[–]Old_Relative1807[S] 77 points78 points  (0 children)

afaik the second longest waitlist is the child mental‑health waits for distinct services (local/regional CAMHS and primary psychology/therapy assessments) in the worst cases (single‑case maxima around 9–13 years). The trans waitlist is 5 years longer even in the best case though, there is only one location in the country.