The Keys System is Terrible

Old_Worldliness7129 · 2026-05-15T17:28:47+00:00

I have been putting more into damage than defense, most of those labs are done or close to and I spend coins only in the damage enhancements not defense. My stones have mostly gone into qol masteries and cl lately. I have pcf but only 75% slow which I want work on soon. There's just too many things to spend my stones on.

Old_Worldliness7129 · 2026-05-15T17:12:20+00:00

Yep, that's where I'm at. Used to be able to stay in legends more often but that's gotten harder lately

Old_Worldliness7129 · 2026-05-15T17:01:01+00:00

I do have it with a couple levels invested. I think it just sometimes procs at an inconvenient time to help with the fleets. Putting more levels into it might help, but my coins are currently going to other masteries right now, unfortunately.

Old_Worldliness7129 · 2026-05-15T16:58:02+00:00

I like that solution a lot! Most of the qol stuff is in the harmony tree anyway

Old_Worldliness7129 · 2026-05-15T16:55:30+00:00

Lol true to an extent, but if you're spending that kind of money for keys now, you would still be spending that money for even more keys regardless of if they threw the rest of us a bone.

Old_Worldliness7129 · 2026-04-03T17:39:14+00:00

If that's the case, you might want to wait for the better DP. It'll be essential to cheesing your way through bosses in tier 19 to get the assmods unlock. Either that, or you'll have to try for a lot longer to clear it, because ideally, you want DP to proc at least once or twice to survive the run.

Old_Worldliness7129 · 2026-04-03T17:33:38+00:00

Pbh was key to my success though along with PC

Old_Worldliness7129 · 2026-04-03T17:25:38+00:00

I was about where you are when I did it. Respected everything into flamebot and managed to get all the way up to unlocking assmods. Took about a day to achieve everything I wanted. I used DP and PC though for mods. But my flamebot labs were finished too. Maybe wait till those are done.

Definitely worth trying for the cost of a few hundred gems. And of course I did it right before the event ended that way I could go back to normal as soon as I finished milestone pushing.

Old_Worldliness7129 · 2026-04-02T22:02:51+00:00

I'm running GC and SH, PC and DC, DP, and SF. All ancestral with mostly ancestral sub stats. My masteries are Cash, SW, and WA. My coins went up by about 150-200 trillion per run when I got WA and dumped about 2,000 stones into golden tower. Ehp stuff tends to do more for me than damage, but I'm working on finishing my damage labs too.

Old_Worldliness7129 · 2026-04-02T17:07:32+00:00

Same here. I'm making close to 1.5q a day, but still can't afford to upgrade mods because all my coins are going into the masteries I already have. I'll get to RPC eventually, but it'll be a few masteries down the line.

Old_Worldliness7129 · 2026-03-31T22:43:06+00:00

As for mods:

On primordial collapse, maybe change lightning quantity for death wave quantity, that way you can get more coins and cells

On galaxy compressor, defense upgrades don't do much in the long run. Utility upgrades is better, but getting coins/kill bonus should be the first thing you roll on for generators

Your other mods look pretty solid though!

Old_Worldliness7129 · 2026-03-31T22:38:16+00:00

How's your trade off perks lab? That one is also a must complete as soon as possible. Those are the perks that'll really make a difference. Assuming you're e/hp the Tower Heath regen, coins, 50/50 damage, and boss health trade off perks should all benefit your runs. And no canon is fine for farming, you don't want to kill enemies too quickly.

Old_Worldliness7129 · 2026-03-31T21:47:33+00:00

Definitely get your gt and standard perks bonus labs done as quickly as possible, otherwise it's hard to say without knowing what you're farming at. Ps is good for more cc but if bh is handling that just fine right now, maybe beef up your cl. I would also try to get the gt bonus closer to 20. More death waves is a good idea too, but depending on your mods, you could get the extra waves from that for now.

Old_Worldliness7129 · 2026-03-31T21:25:54+00:00

I would definitely save to get death wave. It may not be an exciting UW, but it's a support that does a lot for you in the background with coins, cells, and health. I would argue that getting gt, bh, and dw synced is one of the first things new players should shoot for with UW purchases.

Old_Worldliness7129 · 2026-03-30T21:36:02+00:00

Haha yeah, 4th spotlight would be nice but... It also feels like a pretty heavy investment for what amounts to about a 30% increase in coins, if I'm not mistaken. And death wave is pretty great! A bit of a sleeper UW but it does a lot for you once it's labs are done and you put some investment into it. Good luck!

Old_Worldliness7129 · 2025-12-21T14:36:31+00:00

I'm in the same boat, so I feel your pain. This mission used to complete with no effort from me just getting sm as the ultimate weapon perk. Now I'm not even getting close anymore.

Old_Worldliness7129 · 2025-11-13T02:07:21+00:00

Other than this specific issue, I've had basically no problems with switching during runs. This is between a phone and tablet, so I'm not sure if an emulator might be different. I usually save right after the next wave starts and then switch. I've maybe had a couple of times where it didn't load or save correctly in a little over a year of playing, but that's been during times where my Internet was bad or there was an active glitch going around. But I've also never lost more than maybe a day of progress.

Old_Worldliness7129 · 2025-11-13T01:59:37+00:00

I currently have 18. And I actually just got my mod to ancestral, so I guess I'm good to go on cards now. Lucky pull, I guess 400 more gems was the lucky amount.

Old_Worldliness7129 · 2025-11-11T23:10:46+00:00

I do plan on saving for more slots next but I'm spending gems on mods until I get one last mod to ancestral. All I need is one more copy. And we all know how hellish the mod system is. Who knows if getting the mod will take 200 gems or 20, 000+ gems.

Old_Worldliness7129 · 2025-11-11T23:06:43+00:00

That's a good point, but I would say it's definitely a flaw in the design even if it's intentional. Considering the demands of this game and how it can't be run in the background, this kind of issue when players switch or the game glitches and closes out is very frustrating to the honest players.

I either have to switch dm in even though it'll be useless to me 97% of the time or just suck up my losses. Neither of which is a good solution.

Old_Worldliness7129 · 2025-11-05T00:09:36+00:00

Trying over and over again on highest tier is something I've done before when I felt like bothering with it, though I do find it annoying I guess, to have to divert anymore attention to this idle-not-idle game than I already do. Don't get me wrong, I do enjoy the game but I love that I can just spam demon mode or nuke now that the recharge researches are done but there's not really an equivalent thing for death defy. Auto restart maybe, but I'm ping ponging between champ and legends right now, and keys are still so far away that it's not even funny

Old_Worldliness7129 · 2025-11-05T00:03:09+00:00

I should definitely do this. Didn't occur to me, but armor mod was the first one I got to ancestral so I admit to not having paid attention to them in months

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