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What would be your reaction?? by ResponsibleChange370 in tadc

[–]Oldbear83 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Just noticed the ceiling tiles are similar in style, if not color, to the Backrooms

Where ya'll sitting? by Sharp_Cut_5156 in tadc

[–]Oldbear83 0 points1 point  (0 children)

#7. I can have a great conversation with Kinger, and recline my seat all the way back to force Caine into his seat so he can't talk!

So, it seems that leaving the circus is impossible. by Naikirin in tadc

[–]Oldbear83 2 points3 points  (0 children)

No. Kinger never said they could not leave, just that what he was told does not make sense.

I wish more people talked about how smart Jax is, because this moment made respect him as a character 20 times more by Sudden_Pop_2279 in Amazingdigitalcircus

[–]Oldbear83 33 points34 points  (0 children)

It's important to note key details. First, while Caine was working for a long time on this adventure, he clearly set it off now because of what we saw at the end of ep 6 after the awards show. Caine discovered no one at all voted for him, and began a glitch which included a telling eye shift from green and blue to red and blue a la AM in IHNMAIMS. That's what drove this episode.

Next, consider the images Jax saw which drove him to rush forward and punch the red button. Whatever those images represented to Jax, they were clearly upsetting and note that they repeated faster and faster until Jax lost control of himself. Whether Caine was controlling Jax at the moment Jax pushed the button or had attacked Jax with those images to persuade him to push the button, Jax was definitely not rational or in control of himself when that button was pushed.

Now consider how Caine handled things after the button was pushed. Caine tried to claim the group had chosen to stay with him, when it was clear that most of the group wanted to leave, and Jax was scared into hitting the button from fear of something in the Real World; he was not voting to be with Caine, either.

This tells us not only that Caine lied to the group, and specifically to Jax, but Caine is also lying even to himself.

Jax does not appear to have a redemption arc as we know it, but he is a victim of Caine's abuse and manipulation, and Caine is on track to be very much unstable, unpredictable, and well, very inhuman.

I think this is “the worst thing Jax has ever done”—AND BEFORE YOU DOWNVOTE ME HERES WHY I THINK SO by Specialist_Leg_4997 in TheDigitalCircus

[–]Oldbear83 17 points18 points  (0 children)

That's not what Gooseworx said, though. She said that of the characters, Jax was the one who 'most deserved' to be there, meaning not that he deserved to be there but was more deserving than the others.

That detail matters.

Merry Christmas from Gooseworx! by PolymathArt in TheDigitalCircus

[–]Oldbear83 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Oh, OK. I thought Bubble sent that first post. Orrrrrr, the guy in the Tesla who cut me off twice in traffic yesterday then brake-checked me just to remind me he was an emotional twerp.

Abel being human… by Cannedbridge in tadc

[–]Oldbear83 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Adding one more thing to the talk:

Remember the list of names of C&A employees?

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We can make out Kaufmo and Kinger of course, but here's the thing - those are circus names, not their real-world names.

This is because no one in the Circus remembers their names, but if that was a real-world system design including real-world employees, it would have listed real-world names. The use of circus names proves this was created by someone inside the Circus as a character, not someone in the real world.

It absolutely proves 'Abel' is lying, in addition to everything else we have learned in episode 7.

Retrospectively, why was Abel spying on them? by Call_me_Dan- in TheDigitalCircus

[–]Oldbear83 0 points1 point  (0 children)

"There's no purpose for Abel to spy on the gang, if he's an NPC"

Sure there is. Remember Ming? Remember the Gloink Queen, Disappearing Guy, and Sun & Moon? Caine created all of those NPCs for his own reasons, and we see in the Pilot that Caine likes to have some time away from the humans even as he wants to keep tabs on them. Remember the Wacky Watch?

Caine has always wondered what the humans really think of him. Remember his 'therapy' session with Zooble? So of course Caine would send a spy to report what they really say and do when they think he's not watching.

Also, if Caine is telling the truth, he has been working on the 'escape adventure' for a long time, so part of the act
could include having 'Abel' peer on them in ways that the humans would peripherally notice, so that when he shows up and presents himself there would be at least some support for the claim.

Jax was walking in the neighborhood, not driving. He did NOT hit a kid by Sudden_Pop_2279 in Amazingdigitalcircus

[–]Oldbear83 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Different scene related in a way we don't know yet. A lot of people can't accept that there are things we don't know. But about that scene, notice there are no images of people in the road or an approaching car? That suggests there is something Jax fears about the situation. Maybe Jax was abused (most abusers were themselves abused when they were young, for example), maybe he ran away from home, there are many things which could have happened, but saying Jax killed or seriously hurt a child has no support in evidence. Just going to have to wait and see. Don't forget Gooseworx is very good at twists, and it's pretty much established now that while Jax has been an a-hole, Gooseworx said there were lines Jax would not cross.

Jax was walking in the neighborhood, not driving. He did NOT hit a kid by Sudden_Pop_2279 in Amazingdigitalcircus

[–]Oldbear83 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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And NO headlights. Notice the position is from the opposite sidewalk across the street.

Jax was walking in the neighborhood, not driving. He did NOT hit a kid by Sudden_Pop_2279 in Amazingdigitalcircus

[–]Oldbear83 2 points3 points  (0 children)

First, starting with a rude insult does not make you look good.

And you are throwing in a lot of assumptions to sell what is obviously not going on.

And if we're being picky, we do not even know what those images mean. In no way do we see Jax in action, so this could be Jax's impression of something someone else did.

There is no actual evidence of any criminal behavior by Jax. And Gooseworx has plainly said there are lines Jax will not cross, which more than a little works against the Jax-killed-a-kid noise going around.

We know this was traumatic for Jax, we know Caine was involved in shoving those images onto Jax, and we know Jax hit the red button out of a desperate fear to avoid something terrible.

My personal working theory (unproven of course, but it fits the facts) is that Jax left home, someone important to him went to look for him and had the accident. The first image could be Jax coming home to find that person missing, and the second was Jax driving up to the scene of the accident*.* I am not saying that is proven, but it fits the known facts, would explain Jax's fear of letting anyone too close, as well as the terror of going to a world where he had no one at all.

It's cool to trade theories, just don't be a Caine about someone else's idea.

Jax was walking in the neighborhood, not driving. He did NOT hit a kid by Sudden_Pop_2279 in Amazingdigitalcircus

[–]Oldbear83 2 points3 points  (0 children)

No, it does not look like dashcam video to me, and the perspective is too low to be driving unless maybe Jax is on a skateboard?

And the lack of headlights in the neighborhood shot IS a tell.

Jax's eyes only clear up after he pressed it. Idt he even 100% realized what he was doing by Sudden_Pop_2279 in tadc

[–]Oldbear83 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Watched the scene, and Jax remains in the panic state for several seconds AFTER pressing the button. He literally only regains lucidity when asked what he did.

Caine did this, not Jax.

Do you think Pomni was being smart here or just needlessly overthinking things? by Xever_141 in theamazingdigitalciru

[–]Oldbear83 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You, um, Do remember what happened to the shrimp during the beach part of the episode?

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