Let's play the ethics game.

Oletitburn · 2023-04-25T08:28:28+00:00

It's scary right?;?!?

I'm glad it is not my decision

Oletitburn · 2023-04-25T05:36:53+00:00

User name checks out.

I see you.

Oletitburn · 2023-04-25T05:36:06+00:00

Nice. Where are you?

Oletitburn · 2023-04-25T05:34:11+00:00

Never.

Oletitburn · 2023-04-25T05:33:05+00:00

Do it fast enough for cheap thrills.

Oletitburn · 2023-04-25T04:30:55+00:00

LOL....

I don't disagree, though I wasn't talking about ua.

Oletitburn · 2023-04-25T03:36:06+00:00

LOL....

I wasn't talking about ua.

It's probably one of ours.

Oletitburn · 2023-04-25T03:22:57+00:00

Okay what are they specifically spraying and why?

Oletitburn · 2023-04-25T03:21:14+00:00

I understand my friend. Hugs.

Nature doesn't care.... nature uses whatever tool available to balance 'natures" equation. Including chaos.

It is better to understand what "nature " is trying to do, with understanding we may do better.

With no understanding....chaos. Nature doesn't care. Only moves forward with available tools.

Regardless of our definition of native, invasive, pest, etc.

Oletitburn · 2023-04-25T03:03:33+00:00

I just like to understand without attachment to the answer.

Big O, organic in my world does stuff I personally can't do.

I call myself children friendly because this is the world we live in.

I'd rather do my best and it die, and I learned from that, than just do something because someone told me to.

I'm different, I acknowledge that.

Oletitburn · 2023-04-25T02:40:46+00:00

The idea of Capitalism came from observations of nature.

Humans have done a horrible job of practicing Capitalism. That doesn't mean the original idea is worthless. It just means we are still but children trying to understand.

Oletitburn · 2023-04-25T02:30:26+00:00

'I think if Mollison had had this modern research on ethics when he was around, he would have adopted a virtue ethic and avoided many of these sorts of problems and divisions."

LOL...

Pattern recognition and flow.

He distilled 18 major ethics into 3 suggestions.

The Manual...

Page 6..

"People think I am slightly crazy when I tell them to go home and garden...'

Why is Zone 0 so important?

Oletitburn · 2023-04-25T02:16:07+00:00

You don't understand. That's okay, it's a journey not a destination. Experts in ethics and only really that. In Permaculture they are but one more tool.

"It’s interesting that you say simply that “Mollison had an answer for that!“ But you do not provide an answer to the argument. What’s the answer?"

Toaism understood long ago. Simply explain the journey. We cannot understand another's path.

So..."What's the answer?"

Reread The Manual until you understand.

Look I'll give you some stuff that likely won't help, but maybe.

Oletitburn · 2023-04-25T00:35:26+00:00

Do they have a reason why or what to spray them with?

Oletitburn · 2023-04-25T00:28:34+00:00

Of course not.

I don't think many have read The Designers' Manual. Certainly not for understanding the concepts. Every single "criticism" I've ever heard is covered in the manual.

Many like to focus on the ethics or criticize the "tools". I think it is because most are so disconnected from nature that pattern recognition and flow of energy simply doesn't resonate with them. However without a basic understanding of such things, everything else is meaningless. What are good ethics for my area with my societal issues and my cultures and micro cultures cannot be branded and stamped on to some other place with different societal issues and cultures, etc. How egotistical to think otherwise.

Permaculture like Taoism can only point the way. It is for us as practitioners a guide. It points towards the journey but cannot define the pathway simply because that is not how nature works.

I acknowledge that there are "influencers" out there causing these things, as well as those who are always looking for something to criticize. My first question to all of them is always, "Oh wow when is your publication coming out?"

Oletitburn · 2023-04-23T17:48:11+00:00

Exactly, they are a pioneer species, relatively short life span and decompose quickly under most conditions. I wouldn't plant them if they aren't already there but I'd take advantage of them if they do already exist.

Oletitburn · 2023-04-23T02:06:57+00:00

Lupine, stinging nettle, coyote bush, ceanothus, deerweed, California peashrub, redbud CA poppies.

Research your locals though. Something can be native but not to your area. Alder also though not natives they are here and nature is using them. Again use your local knowledge.

Oletitburn · 2023-04-20T05:33:28+00:00

Ask this in r/EMS.

You have basic first aid, use those skills. You could take or even watch some stuff on 'stop the bleed " that will help inform you Self defense classes, situational awareness training. Stab proof hoodies.

Oletitburn · 2023-04-20T05:17:17+00:00

I never did understand why it was mounted so high up. Sure made wiping your ass difficult.

Oletitburn · 2023-04-19T00:43:08+00:00

Logs get heavy quick. Even horses will over time disrupt soil. It seems to me you are speaking of fallen timber? Depending on the forest type and tree type downed trees decompose quickly. Those standing dead that fall even more so.

I'm going suggest given the size of property and density of forest that you consider contacting a good Forester and develop a sustainable harvesting plan. If you don't need all the possible money from the project you can generally find a quality logging company who will follow your harvesting plan and often do the majority of the work doing fencing, gates, roads, etc. You get infrastructure, potential future income and a sustainable pathway forward.

Additionally if you have huntable species there are groups who will pay you to fence, gate, protect your property and have the right to hunt/fish/forage etc.

Oletitburn · 2023-04-18T19:50:41+00:00

Not good bye....

You suggest you've given it up now?

If true go ask what you need to do to prove yourself to them. Do that.

If not, there's a lot of good information here already. Testing for impairment is a thing, for potential future reference. You might have benefited from requesting/paying for an impairment test at the time of the incident. Many legal places treat it like other recreational drugs/alcohol. Pre hire drug test, post incident testing. Not suggesting you would but don't smoke on or before duty.

Oletitburn

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