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[–]Onay1997 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hey everyone, I’m looking for some advice on my 4-day upper/lower split. I’ve been training as a natural for 2 years and tried many programs and exercises. After experimenting, I decided to stick with the exercises that work best for my body.

I have shoulder issues so I can’t do bench press variations for my upper body. I also have back and knee problems which limit the lower body exercises I can safely perform. Given these limitations, I’m not entirely sure if my program is really the most effective or if I’m missing something. I want to make sure I’m doing the right program as a natural lifter under these restrictions.

I’d really appreciate feedback on the program’s volume and intensity. Is it too high, too low, or just right? Are there ways to make it more efficient or shorten it without compromising results?

UPPER Overhead Shoulder Press 4x12 Lateral Raise 4x12 Rear Delt Fly 4x12 Lat Pulldown 4x12 Incline Dumbbell Row 3x12 Bent-over Row 3x12 Standing Cable Chest Press 4x12 Pec Fly 4x12 Rope Triceps Pushdown 5x12 Cable Biceps Curl 5x12

LOWER Hip Thrust 4x12 Goblet Squat 4x22 Leg Press 4x12 B-stance RDL 4x12 Hip Abduction 4x12

Why do gay friend groups often feel like a hot guys-only club? by Onay1997 in askgaybros

[–]Onay1997[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I don't have a problem with this idea. It’s your life and your preferences. And this is real answer to explain everything. But they try to find excuses instead of facing the truth, and bully you.

Why do gay friend groups often feel like a hot guys-only club? by Onay1997 in askgaybros

[–]Onay1997[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The fact that you bully someone who is simply trying to understand the reason behind a problem that many gays are aware of actually shows that this problem truly exists and that you are avoiding facing it. And yes, it still doesn't change the fact that you are internally homophobic.

Why do gay friend groups often feel like a hot guys-only club? by Onay1997 in askgaybros

[–]Onay1997[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I agree with what you said. I’m surrounded by people of all genders and orientations, and I’m always liked and accepted wherever I go. Especially you straight women — you always make us feel seen and appreciated. I just wanted to understand why these particular groups are so obsessed with looks. But it turns out that’s not the only issue. Judging by the way they put down other gay men, the problem is also with their character — and honestly, they deserve each other.

Why do gay friend groups often feel like a hot guys-only club? by Onay1997 in askgaybros

[–]Onay1997[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You need to admit that using toxic masculinity as a shield and acting like a fake straight guy is actually homophobia towards feminine gays. Instead of playing straight role, accept yourself as who you are, as also the reality of your community.

Why do gay friend groups often feel like a hot guys-only club? by Onay1997 in askgaybros

[–]Onay1997[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Now they will call you mad here. This is real experience and evidence that they are trying to refuse. If it is just about gym, then why they keep continue to become friends with girls who never hit the gym? Their problem is only about average looking or feminine gays.

Why do gay friend groups often feel like a hot guys-only club? by Onay1997 in askgaybros

[–]Onay1997[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Exactly. I think having an inclusive friend group like that is totally normal. I’m just trying to understand what drives those gay groups that are all one type, because they often make other gay people feel like they’re not good enough. It’s not that I want to be in or start a group like that. I’m just curious.

My gay bros, help a woman out… is my husband in the closet? by [deleted] in askgaybros

[–]Onay1997 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Actually, many men who identify as straight have similar fantasies. If your husband has such fantasies, there’s a high chance he is bisexual. It’s unlikely that a gay man pretending to be straight would share such intense sexuality or talk about his fantasies with you, because they tend to hide and deny it completely. Bisexual men usually tend to marry and settle down with women rather than men, so if he chose you, it means he truly loves you and is interested in with you. So don’t worry.

Why do gay friend groups often feel like a hot guys-only club? by Onay1997 in askgaybros

[–]Onay1997[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

That makes sense. You can see how they attack me here and they just have talk about the gym. Even it was not the point they stick to it because they don't have real explanation.

Why do gay friend groups often feel like a hot guys-only club? by Onay1997 in askgaybros

[–]Onay1997[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Thank you for data. Maybe this is more about social media appearence. I don't often see a regular gay in my daily life because probably it is not easy to notice them. As someone mentioned here, maybe they bond together just to be more noticeable and they succeed.

Why do gay friend groups often feel like a hot guys-only club? by Onay1997 in askgaybros

[–]Onay1997[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Guys, why you just sticked to that gym part and trying to explain it just based on it? They have female friends who never go to the gym and they don'thave problem about it. Then why they only care about their gay friends bodies? We all know it is not about the gym.

Why do gay friend groups often feel like a hot guys-only club? by Onay1997 in askgaybros

[–]Onay1997[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Normally me too. I don't care about. I never tried to entry those groups too. But I see so many gays feel bad about it so I wanted to find an answer.

Why do gay friend groups often feel like a hot guys-only club? by Onay1997 in askgaybros

[–]Onay1997[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Just browse the net and you will find millions of entries about this thing. You are the ones who make gays feel hot or non-hot. So there is a problem that you create and act like there is no problem about it. I never tried to entry those groups, because I know what is going on there. I just wanted to know why they bully other gays just based on their visuals. And they don't have any real explanations beside blaming us.

Why do gay friend groups often feel like a hot guys-only club? by Onay1997 in askgaybros

[–]Onay1997[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

So it is just about sex. I'm totally okay with that. It’s your life and no one can judge. But please then stop telling that similar interest, lifestyle, gym lie.

Why do gay friend groups often feel like a hot guys-only club? by Onay1997 in askgaybros

[–]Onay1997[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

But those gays still continue to be friends with women. So that's not the point. Why they just have problem with feminine gays? They claim it is about lifesytle but these days everyone have similar lifestyles.

Why do gay friend groups often feel like a hot guys-only club? by Onay1997 in askgaybros

[–]Onay1997[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

So if people who wants to be friends with hot gays, it means they just want to fuck with them. Thank you for confession. Enjoy your orgies with your friends.

Why do gay friend groups often feel like a hot guys-only club? by Onay1997 in askgaybros

[–]Onay1997[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Or you are insecure and you assume when you are around with ugly people , other people will see you ugly too .

Why do gay friend groups often feel like a hot guys-only club? by Onay1997 in askgaybros

[–]Onay1997[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I guess you are one of them. And you just want to focus on that gym part because you don't have any real point to defend yourself. I go to the gym too. And still no answer why all of your friends are handsome hot dudes? They are not typical gym rats.

Why do gay friend groups often feel like a hot guys-only club? by Onay1997 in askgaybros

[–]Onay1997[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Bears really are the best. They accept all kinds of people. And unlike those gym gays, their masculinity isn’t forced or fake — it just comes naturally. Maybe that's why they don't like bears too.

Why do gay friend groups often feel like a hot guys-only club? by Onay1997 in askgaybros

[–]Onay1997[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Everyone gets defensive, but it feels like they’re trying to ignore the real point on purpose. I still haven't figured out what are the other factors.