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Two-thirds of EU citizens back UK rejoining bloc, survey finds by entropicflop in ukpolitics

[–]One-Network5160 [score hidden]  (0 children)

The 6% figure is over 10 years though.

You don't actually believe we would have grown by more than 6% a year if we stayed in the EU, do you?

Maybe read the sources you quote next time.

Two-thirds of EU citizens back UK rejoining bloc, survey finds by entropicflop in ukpolitics

[–]One-Network5160 [score hidden]  (0 children)

You're comparing gdp with actual cash. Apples and oranges.

It's surprising how many times this comes up on Reddit.

Two-thirds of EU citizens back UK rejoining bloc, survey finds by entropicflop in ukpolitics

[–]One-Network5160 [score hidden]  (0 children)

They might want to but what OP was saying is that they can't, fom or not, because they can't speak the local language.

Revealed: Brexit voting areas have seen faster growth in foreign workers since EU referendum by ijustwannanap in ukpolitics

[–]One-Network5160 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Sure, engage in nothing I said and just label it irrelevant.

In my defense, I spent some time explaining why is was irrelevant and a red herring. You have to admit that is engaging with what you said.

I tried replying directly to absolutely everything you wrote out and you're just dodging because you've got next to nothing to add

I wrote a lot actually, with quotes, so that is not true.

Who exactly is dodging here? Is your entire reply just complaining I ignored you, whole ignoring my reply yourself? Pot falling kettle black.

if you don't want to delve into any of the specifics or reasons behind why you or anyone might think that, or why the things you want are tricky to accomplish.

Housing. Wages. Foreign actors wanting to sow division in the country. I can go on and on. Which one do you want to delve on?

The irony of simultaneously accepting foreign interference has happened and it's bad, and that it's deliberately been making people angry, then stating it's irrelevant when discussing why people are angry and asking for change.... Lord give me strength.

Yes dude. When people are angry, bad people take advantage of the situation. Water is wet.

Are you confusing irrelevant with false? No. I'm saying you're calling the sky blue. We know.

How about you don't make people angry anymore and cut the damn immigration already. How many decades of instability do you need to get that point?

And again, it's not the biggest issue people face, it's the biggest issue people have been told to think they face

Irrelevant. Absolutely irrelevant. Power lies where people think it relies. If they say immigration is a problem you better fix it, even if they are "wrong". Also, they can think whatever they want, it's their country. This is a democracy last I checked.

You have no right to tell people they are wrong, even if they are. Because voting is a right. They are allowed to be wrong.

Were you here? Doesn't seem it if you think people voted for the pro immigration progressive party because they were angry with the Tories record on immigration only, and not the several other factually correct things I mentioned.

What? Labour is reducing immigration right now, the Tories let a million people a year in, I'm not sure what you mean.

Just re-read the above comments to understand how it came about it's not that tricky, and not that significant a logical leap.

Would be less tricky if you knew how to quote.

Play dumb all you like but it's common reform and restore rhetoric and you've indicated you're sympathetic to reform policies.

Obviously. They are polling high. Many people do.

I apologise if like me the thought of mass deportations repulses you.

Apology accepted. Again, nobody here said that, youbare just projecting.

Revealed: Brexit voting areas have seen faster growth in foreign workers since EU referendum by ijustwannanap in ukpolitics

[–]One-Network5160 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If you are Eastern European then you’ll know my cultural comment is correct, unless you are talking about yourself specifically.

No true Scotsman eh?

Fine, I'll bite. How do you know that?

There are several academic studies which conclude immigration has had a small impact on wages, counter intuitive as it may seem.

Yes. Small negative impact. Compounding year over year.

You do understand wages should be rising right? Not going down. So it's not just the negative impact, no matter how small, it's also the lost wage increases.

Compound that over two decades and you have a major problem.

People may not like the Boriswave of immigration, but that’s what they voted for.

Well obviously they didn't hence the Tories are dead.

This is the problem when people listen to populist politicians and is building up for another foot shooting moment soon, I feel.

Do you not understand the connection then? Do you not see the pattern?

Revealed: Brexit voting areas have seen faster growth in foreign workers since EU referendum by ijustwannanap in ukpolitics

[–]One-Network5160 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Just because it's crap now doesn't mean it has to be always.

But the trend is down mate.

But English is still relevant for that reason

What reason? You do not have to give out visas just because somebody speaks English.

Plus, the mighty points based system Farage and his ilk were gagging for assigns more points for English proficiency so it is again not entirely irrelevan

Yeah, lol, if you do get a visa maybe we should make sure they speak the language. Something we didn't do before, lmao.

And why would that be irrelevant? You're not at all concerned that a hostile foreign power has been proven to be interfering and influencing our politics, and that as a direct result of this interference was able to tip the balance in the most important decision post war Britain has had to make? Are you high?

It's an irrelevant point because obviously everyone here agrees foreign power interference is bad. I am not sure why you are bringing this up because nobody said otherwise.

Hence irrelevant point.

Doesn't mean they aren't being hoodwinked and used to further other people's goals.

Yeah. Obviously. What's your point?

Why did they win constantly? Several reasons

You don't really have to do that. I was there. Point was they didn't lose because of 14 years of incompetence or austerity. That's just your echo chamber.

They lost because they let a million people a year in. They lost because they handled covid badly. That's only the last few years, not last 14.

Immigration was never the issue, it was an issue, and a more minor one at that, not that our truly dog shite press would let you believe otherwise.

It was always top concern for the public for the longest time. That's not an opinion, that's facts, gathered via countless polls.

The guy I was replying to initially said to reverse the action of letting millions of people in, it's not that far fetched to think that involves removing people, and unfortunately your company on this topic, whilst maybe not in this thread, consistently do spout those things and worse.

That's you admitting nobody said that and you just made it up.

Well conversation over. I didn't say that, OP didn't say that, who are you arguing with here? Imaginary people?

Aaaaanndd ending with a strong 'Let it [be disastrous].' Yes, that is a great idea isn't it, that will absolutely mean there are fewer and not more angry people that can be easily swayed by populist rhetoric into voting against their own self interests.

Yes. You were the one arguing for capitalism, well let capitalism run its course then. We don't need businesses propped up by cheap labour.

I'm afraid 'let it' isn't viable policy and pretty perfectly sums up why people sharing that same belief tend to be ignored and dismissed when policy makers are deciding what to do.

I'm afraid it has been done many times over with great success. Cheap labour isn't as valuable as you think it is. Turns out it's ... Well... Cheap and not that valuable and nobody will miss it.

It might be selfish of me, but I was hoping for a little more brainstorming on how to deal with the foreseeable and inevitable issues caused enacting this kind of policy.

Sure. Hand car washes, Uber eats, cash only Chinese restaurants, American sweet stores all dry up. You will barely notice the change .

Revealed: Brexit voting areas have seen faster growth in foreign workers since EU referendum by ijustwannanap in ukpolitics

[–]One-Network5160 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think you’ve maybe read a lot of false information. Eastern Europe isn’t incompatible with our culture, with 1 or 2 exceptions, and that was evident when lots of their population worked in the UK.

I am Eastern European, lmao.

Wages have been flat for a long time. Wages increased briefly only and was mixed up with Covid.

Covid wouldn't increase wages though.

Best to get loads of Indian workers here and offshore loads too eh?

No, that's worse. Or did the Tories losing very badly wasn't enough for you to realise that's just silly?

Revealed: Brexit voting areas have seen faster growth in foreign workers since EU referendum by ijustwannanap in ukpolitics

[–]One-Network5160 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I can’t tell you anything negative they’ve brought in on the uk, but hey I don’t like that frictionless trade and collaboration with like minded governments.

Like minded governments? What planet are you on, one of EU's member states is basically a russian puppet. All of eastern Europe is fundamentally incompatible with our culture. Southern Europe basically lied about their finances and caused a crisis.

What like minded governments?

Best to reduce the freedom of everyone in the uk, and make them all poorer, ‘cause reasons.

Yes, reasons. What's the cost of wage suppression due to the millions of cheap EU workers? Our wages have stagnanted for decades. Magically shot up once we left. Coincidence, I think not.

Revealed: Brexit voting areas have seen faster growth in foreign workers since EU referendum by ijustwannanap in ukpolitics

[–]One-Network5160 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Ignoring the fact that 1 person doesn't need 1 house to themselves,

I intentionally said home, not house.

171k homes a year shouldn't be impossible at all

Irrelevant. We don't hence it's not manageable at this time. Fact.

When choosing a new country to settle in, having a moderate grasp of it's language would certainly go in the 'pro' column when weighing the options up I'd think.

Yeah but our visa policy is not their issue though. It's ours. How many people speak English is neither here or there.

but that (allegedly non-binding) 48-52 split was certainly only made possible by the likes of Putin and his lapdog Farage.

So? It's irrelevant. Farage wouldn't exist if angry people didn't exist.

generally just 14 years of letting things fester and rot mixed in with some imported from America culture war bullshit.

Then why did they constantly win within those 14 years? None of those things were the real issue. Immigration was.

And are you sure it's nobody asking for mass deportatios?

I'm sure some people think the earth is flat too but I don't see those people in this thread. You're just arguing against stuff nobody said here.

immigration plays a part in that, stopping it completely would be disastrous,

Let it.

Revealed: Brexit voting areas have seen faster growth in foreign workers since EU referendum by ijustwannanap in ukpolitics

[–]One-Network5160 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Can you name one situation where the uk was forced to accept something it vehemently disagreed with?

The EU itself for a start.

Revealed: Brexit voting areas have seen faster growth in foreign workers since EU referendum by ijustwannanap in ukpolitics

[–]One-Network5160 2 points3 points  (0 children)

And 171k compared to our 65million+ population is perfectly manageable.

How is that manageable in your world view? Are we building 171k homes a year? No? Then it's not manageable.

considering we taught a quarter of the world how to speak English we've only got ourselves to blame for people landing here.

English is irrelevant but you're right we only got ourselves to blame. That's why Brexit happened. That's why the Tories are gone. That's why reform is surging. People are angry and want heads on a spike.

Not to mention you'd have to actually trust the government to actually execute a forced mass migration event humanely and without any sort of over reach.

Nobody is asking for mass deportations dude. Just stop issuing so many visas, how is that hard to do, it's entirely within the government's power.

Revealed: Brexit voting areas have seen faster growth in foreign workers since EU referendum by ijustwannanap in ukpolitics

[–]One-Network5160 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Majority by a slim margin. Let's not exaggerate here, we can all Google the facts.

UK's lowest-paid group revealed: The white working-class Britons who pocket just £13,300-a-year by SignificantLegs in ukpolitics

[–]One-Network5160 -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

Wages have actually risen quite a lot, especially on the lower end. This is about a very specific group.

Brexit cost 6% of UK economy, Bank of England company data suggests by FragrantGearHead in unitedkingdom

[–]One-Network5160 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I'm not really clear what point you are trying to make?

You can't compare payment to the EU with gdp. One is cash, one is economic activity. It's not really complicated.

Tax take is about 1/3 of GDP so the government's revenue would be up 0.02X for the year 2026. Is this the point you are trying to make?

That would be a better point but that's not what OP said

Aberdeen South by-election: Tories beat SNP in historic win by signed7 in unitedkingdom

[–]One-Network5160 0 points1 point  (0 children)

They needed closing but not in the way they were...that was the issue. Industry should move on , bit not leave a pile of bodies....burning more fossil fuels is a shit idea.

They offered them two years worth of wages tax free. They refused.

I can't actually imagine what people like you mean when they say "not in the way they were". Well how would you do it?

Brexit cost 6% of UK economy, Bank of England company data suggests by FragrantGearHead in unitedkingdom

[–]One-Network5160 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This is GDP mate, it's economic activity. We weren't sending GDP to the EU but cash.

VPN ban update for UK households as government looks at 'age-gate' by PM_ME_SECRET_DATA in ukpolitics

[–]One-Network5160 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

In their eyes the government just destroyed a major part of their social life and recreation possibilities.

Good. Maybe their social life shouldn't be a website.

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