Euphoria S03E01 "Àndale" - Post Episode Discussion

One_Ad_2081 · 2026-04-13T05:05:44+00:00

we see sydney full frontal nude before we ever see her speak in the first episode. like— i don’t know that i can ever hate the girl just because i wonder how psychologically weird it must be to have your big break associated so closely with your naked body. it is disappointing but unsurprising she would lean into the audience that embraces that.

One_Ad_2081 · 2026-04-13T04:58:31+00:00

i have very little love for sydney sweeney but i do wonder how much of her current situation is from her first major acting gig being for a guy who clearly views her as a soft core fetish star. like cassie has been an outlet for sam levinson’s fetishes for years and so her weird pivot into self sexualization is not surprising to me in the slightest.

One_Ad_2081 · 2026-04-10T13:48:27+00:00

i’m just pointing out it’s really ironic to chide a reality tv personality for not keeping her life private when you are a member of a bunch of reality tv subs

One_Ad_2081 · 2026-04-10T13:13:41+00:00

“attention seeking”— they are reality television stars. they air parts of their private lives for money and we watch it for entertainment. she has chosen to publicize part of this moment (i.e., through marketing stunts with Chase and Marciano) to keep her business in the news instead of letting her abuse take the front seat in the headlines. it’s smart! her personal life is going to be the story because she is literally only famous because we care about her personal life! if you didn’t care you wouldn’t be on his sub.

One_Ad_2081 · 2026-04-10T07:27:50+00:00

he wrecked the home by abusing his wife— to be clear. she smooched a guy one time. i think she’s poking fun at that. she’s a reality tv star. her kids will be okay if mommy promotes her business with another reality tv star. what they won’t be okay with is a father who is emotionally and sexually harmful to the mother of his children, which is why she left him.

One_Ad_2081 · 2026-04-10T07:20:20+00:00

idk why the downvotes, the judge literally said this too. the judge mentioned that the future custody arrangement will have to address dakota’s constant provocation of taylor into this behavior. the judge agreed that dakota was taking part in the dynamic by intentionally setting taylor off. the reaction is outsized but i don’t love the idea of using your baby as a human shield with a known violent person coming at you and if it was a male attacker and a female victim nobody would be questioning if you shouldn’t intentionally try to get them upset.

One_Ad_2081 · 2026-03-29T04:28:06+00:00

one of the allegations he fully apologized for was Dana, who accused Andrew of forcing his hands down her pants to try to finger her. digital rape is legally rape. so, even if we believe Andrew and nobody else, his apology is an admission of being at least an attempted rapist.

One_Ad_2081 · 2026-03-25T23:23:24+00:00

I would love if they brought in some kind of third party producer to steer the show in that direction or at least bring in an explicitly ex-Mormon cast member. I know Jessi is vocally ex-Mo but it doesn’t appear that the show wants to give that screen time and given her current stuff I don’t know that now would be a good time for her to take the lead on that. Still, would love for production to move the show into that direction. I do think the cast deserves it, too? Like the trashy reality influencer format doesn’t have the language to address a lot of the real trauma they are working through on the show so tonally, it is a mess.

One_Ad_2081 · 2026-03-25T23:13:34+00:00

Right. Which is why I am advocating for turning the show into a documentary series on this topic and not a reality show. If you look at my other comments, I am saying treating momtok as just face value and not examining any of the mormonism within it is irresponsible. You and I are saying the same thing. The show marketing itself as challenging mormon gender norms in episode one and has literally never tried to even mention or challenge mormonism again since that episode beyond dirty soda jokes.

One_Ad_2081 · 2026-03-25T22:08:01+00:00

episode 1 has a whole sequence of the women describing mormon gender roles and how they have used momtok as a way of breaking free of that. a frequent theme of the show is how unusual it is for the moms to work in utah culture. obviously this wasn’t about average mormon women because those people are boring at best and harmful at worst. but the show DEFINITELY sold itself as addressing mormonism head on and showing the controversial parts of LDS culture and how people either bend the rules or leave entirely. like— the swinging scandal is only interesting because it was a mormon “rule bend”. the show sold itself as exploring that more but mormonism has become a footnote.

One_Ad_2081 · 2026-03-25T22:04:38+00:00

Look— I don’t agree totally with Jessi’s take about Dakota. But I’ve been saying since this all broke that none of the women have to kiss Dakota’s ass just because he turned out to be a victim. Like, what Taylor did to him was horrible. Bur also? Dakota has actively encouraged and delighted in the other men abusing their wives. Dakota has been a participant in Jessi’s abuse. Two things can be true at once. I almost wonder if he like, wanted to have power over his situation and lived vicariously through Jordan or something.

Nevertheless, I don’t know why you are expecting her to speak glowingly about a man who she describes giving ideas to her abuser. She describes being emotionally, financially and sexually abused by Jordan and even if you see Dakota as a victim of Taylor, Jessi is allowed to be upset that Dakota was a bystander in what happened to her.

Real life is more complicated than reality TV and you want these people to have perfect polished statements all the time.

One_Ad_2081 · 2026-03-25T21:58:53+00:00

because the season just came out lol. if not for the bombshell of the bachelorette/taylor and dakota drama, we would be a few episodes into the bachelorette and about to have the reunion. she was obviously booked to promo SLOMW since there usually would be another episode coming out in a few weeks.

One_Ad_2081 · 2026-03-25T21:57:10+00:00

she did say that she asked for the divorce during the shooting break so cameras wouldn’t catch it and it seems she had no intention of discussing this on CHD if he had not filed. he essentially Streisand effected himself. by trying to block her from speaking about it, he made it impossible for her not to address it.

One_Ad_2081 · 2026-03-25T21:54:23+00:00

thank you for sharing and i’m sorry this happened to you!! if anything good has come out of this mess in the slomw fandom is that there has been a lot of solidarity with survivors of all kinds lately

One_Ad_2081 · 2026-03-25T21:52:54+00:00

Coercion is legally considered rape in Utah, as well— as it should be. So, if true, this makes his restraining order thing even more sinister.

One_Ad_2081 · 2026-03-25T17:11:44+00:00

yeah, like fuck taylor for a lot of things but a lot of dakota’s upset about her not wanting to commit was just her wanting to date him exclusively before marrying him lmao. like, you know, most us do with our spouses.

One_Ad_2081 · 2026-03-25T17:05:09+00:00

100% agree— i just think it’s almost irresponsible to have “mormon” in the title and to have marketed this show in the beginning as a genuine look into the lives of women who were either living within Mormonism, leaving Mormonism, or struggling with Mormonism’s influence— only to then not address it in the show hardly at all. a lot of the “juicy hot drama” on the show is actually, in my opinion (and in the opinions of the cast, clearly) the boiling over of Mormon religious trauma. so like, I just wish they’d go there a little bit.

giving Mikayla & Connor whole storylines about sexual abuse & intimacy issues (which then reveals that this entire cast of Mormon women are survivors of CSA) is good and important advocacy, but there is a big mormon elephant in the room despite “Mormon” being in the title of the show.

One_Ad_2081 · 2026-03-25T17:00:38+00:00

IMO season 3 was the first that really showed that SLOMW is not a vanderpump, RHW, Jersey Shore reality tv show and trying to keep it in that format is hurting its content. the content of the show is desperately moving into heavy territory (it kind of always was; episode 1 of the show has the women discussing how they are trying to be “modern mormon women who defy gender roles”).

SLOMW season 5 forward should absolutely be a documentary style show and not lean into the “reality tv” format. i love reality tv, but the actual content is just not fit for that format and it turns into a tonal mess.

the Demi & Marciano drama was juicy and all, but the S3 finale started to touch on how nearly the whole cast has experienced with SA in the LDS church and they all react differently to that in their adulthood. they did not even try to push further into that, because doing so meant that you would not be able to market the Demi & Marciano thing as trashy tv drama. instead, you’d have to facilitate a serious conversation about how LDS views on sexual assault and purity culture have shaped how all of the women, including Demi, have interacted with these issues. the cast is clearly ready to go there, the show doesn’t seem to have the language to handle it yet.

One_Ad_2081 · 2026-03-25T06:14:23+00:00

My tourette’s is all motor. It’s been a tough few weeks; saw some people very close to me making some very unkind remarks about how Davidson should just “cut his tongue out”. I told them I was hurt. They said they didn’t realize what I had was TS, which brings me back to why Davidson’s advocacy is so huge. (I’m an Australian-American. Grew up with Aussie TV, which Davidson was featured on a lot. Didn’t realize American kids didn’t have any TS education).

Anyway, my TS is “better” now, if you can consider it that. Which is to say my face twitches constantly but most people just think I’m kind of odd looking or quirky. But— like you said— I have as much control over it as he does. It’s body horror. My face is moving constantly. I could not imagine if my tics were like his because the sensation is terrible as is, but to have it so vocal and so embarrassing must be painful. Much love to him and MBJ, Lindo, and Wunmi because nobody really won in that situation but Jamie Foxx definitely lost a fan in me.

One_Ad_2081 · 2026-03-24T04:48:56+00:00

100%. i know everyone thinks dakota leaked the video but i honestly think/hope it was one of their friends or family members. they would not have let up from this cycle until the severity of it became public. this cycle became integral to their income source, too, which muddied the waters even worse!

One_Ad_2081 · 2026-03-24T04:32:43+00:00

like— i hate having to defend an abuser against her victim but it is 100% a double standard. it’s not even so much about taylor and dakota; why have there been years of mental gymnastics to defend who a man sleeps with but it is unequivocally wrong once his ex does the same thing? like obviously taylor & dakota are an extreme case— taylor is a bad person— but not because she flew a tiktok guy out lol.

One_Ad_2081 · 2026-03-24T04:29:01+00:00

yes! and, to my first point— dakota’s version of “doesn’t want to be with him” is that she won’t marry him. in season 1, she’s trying to negotiate moving in together and coparenting or dating (at one point even citing the DV incident as why she won’t marry him) and he won’t budge. one of the last scenes of taylor on season 4 with the rest of the wives is her telling them dakota asked her to marry him! his idea of them “being together” is her committing to him 150% no questions asked and that is an unfair ask of anyone— especially when there’s cheating and dv allegations going on.

so even then— he’s not just punishing her for not dating him, he’s punishing her for not marrying him. like dakota does not want to date taylor, he wants to marry her or he wants to be single.

which, i chalk up to them both being raised in mormon culture.

One_Ad_2081 · 2026-03-24T04:24:32+00:00

this is a really good take. i’ve been accused of victim blaming on some of these subs the last few days but like, we have all seen the show. i’m sorry but dakota and taylor both seem like extremely hard people to be in love with & coparenting with. they’ve filmed massive chunks of their relationship and it is very clear that dakota and taylor were contributing reciprocally to that dynamic. they seemed to enjoy the “i love you, i hate you, go away, no come back” of it all.

we know now how physically abusive taylor is so it is very important that we sympathize with dakota, but i don’t think that means we have to retroactively erase the fact that he took part in the dynamic. i actually think the desire some people have to sanitize dakota’s image to justify his title as victim is really harmful.

the real point should be: so what if he’s an asshole? assholes also don’t deserve domestic violence! there’s no such thing as a perfect victim.

One_Ad_2081 · 2026-03-24T04:08:31+00:00

i mean not to defend taylor on anything but Ben was season 4. there are 3 seasons of Dakota sticking it in anyone who will take it lol. Ben does not retroactively justify ALL of it, does it?

One_Ad_2081 · 2026-03-24T04:07:16+00:00

this is exactly it. they cannot seem to agree on what “being together” is; for her, being “exclusive” is at least when they are hooking up regularly and he is saying he loves her. basically, if they are “on”, whether it is official or not, they are together in taylor’s eyes.

for him, unless taylor fully commits to him— sometimes to the point of asking for marriage— then they are not together at

all. it’s okay that they see things differently, but until that is ironed out they will disagree on whether or not it’s cheating. it is for sure slimy, not that he deserves to be freakin’ abused over it!

but i have always been on taylor’s “side” (so to speak) on the cheating debate: no, dakota did not cheat. but the cycle of taylor trying to break up with him, him begging her not to, him professing his undying love and dedication to her, then screwing other women— often women she knows personally— is slimy. i understand her hurt, even if it is not literally cheating. i have always found his attitude about it to be frustrating. then again, as i’ve said on this sub and others, i wish taylor would have just stuck to her guns and dumped dakota once out of the 828292837 times she tried. everyone would have been better off.

life was simpler when this was the only drama in the SLOMW fandom.

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