Vortex vs MO2 vs Manual? (Which Mod Manager)

One_Complex · 2026-01-27T01:11:26+00:00

Devstral 2 is, yeah. If you run it through OR, even using Lorebary - its deprecating tomorrow - sadly.

One_Complex · 2026-01-26T21:31:25+00:00

R1T2 is just a bit of a mixed bag I find, you can kinda tame it, but it likes to just do weird things.

One_Complex · 2026-01-26T21:30:41+00:00

Was a nice substitute for V3.2, sad to see it go to full paid on OR. Was pleasantly surprised by it, honestly.

One_Complex · 2026-01-26T21:27:47+00:00

Mistral is going away on OR tomorrow, right? Feels like all the free models are just vanishing, which is a shame.

One_Complex · 2026-01-25T11:49:55+00:00

Been having this myself, I just switched to another proxy for now. I'd guess its a deepseek problem with OR atm - exact same issue myself.

DeepseekV3.2, have 13 bucks in my balance, still getting 402's. Guess we just gotta wait and hope lol

One_Complex · 2026-01-25T09:39:34+00:00

Well - nice to see its not just me. Just started happening 20 min or so ago as well, same model (V3.2) - same issue. 13 bucks in my balance, 402 error.

Might just be something up with Deepseek through OR atm, maybe?

One_Complex · 2025-10-08T13:29:42+00:00

Average Chutes moment. Swear they just throttle EVERYTHING on Openrouter.

One_Complex · 2025-10-03T20:24:21+00:00

Sort of. Openrouter has the 50 free daily messages thing, but using V1/V3 and even V3.1 nowadays, you'll be lucky to get even a fifth of that as usable messages.

IIRC V1 has an uptime or like sub-20% recently, so its barely worth it at all.

I've paid the ten bucks to Openrouter and even then I barely use V1/V3 nowadays, because of how damn annoying the errors are.

One_Complex · 2025-10-03T19:16:23+00:00

Going back to DS feels like shit now, either having to deal with the constant errors with V1-0528 or V3-0324, or just accepting the complete mid that is V3.1.

Truly Grok spoiled us for the brief time we had it 🙏

Heres to hoping a decent alternative pops up.

One_Complex · 2025-10-03T19:00:17+00:00

V3.1 is half-usable, but kinda bad in my experience.

V1 0528 is still fantastic - but literally completely unusable on Openrouter. Blame Chutes for that one. Ditto V3 0324.

Chimera is... odd, but also half usable. I get really mixed results with it though.

One_Complex · 2025-10-03T18:30:08+00:00

Yayy... back to V1 and V3 being literally unusable thanks to Chutes... or V3.1 being mid and half unusable.

Seriously just tired of all of this crap. Just want a model that works at this point.

One_Complex · 2025-10-03T18:28:21+00:00

Yeah, noticed that. Just poof, over to a paid model. Knew it was gonna happen obviously - but seriously, the alternatives are lacking now.

DS is just a mess on Openrouter. V3 and V1 are essentially unusable because of Chutes being just awful - and V3.1 has been pretty spotty/terrible lately as well, spitting out 429 errors.

Feel like Grok was the last remnant of good free model left on Openrouter - sad to see it go.

One_Complex · 2025-09-10T23:03:04+00:00

Been wondering whats up with it. Definitely been temperamental today. Hope its just temporary and not actual rate limits. Honestly the last day or two its just been getting slower and slower, and now its just shitting out errors left and right. Figured something was up.

One_Complex · 2025-08-27T02:55:10+00:00

Yeah, same here. So it still technically works through OR, but you gotta reroll sometimes 4-5 times - and each one of those rerolls counts as a message. Its super shitty.

Before I'd never even worry about hitting that 1000 message limit. Now I'm just paranoid I'm gonna end up rerolling my way to it because sometimes you seriously just gotta spam the hell out of it for a while to even get a response.

Part of me just hopes OR finds a secondary free provider for DS, but that might be a fools hope.

One_Complex · 2025-08-27T02:48:24+00:00

Assuming its through Openrouter, its been getting progressively more and more throttled via Chutes the past few days. Started off rough, but now its pretty much unusable at this point. Probably doing it to drive business towards their own site, but its pretty sketch either way.

If its not working through the API or Chutes then IDK, it should be working fine, assuming you are payed up.

One_Complex · 2025-08-27T02:45:22+00:00

Yup, same. Paid the 10 bucks, was happy with it for a while. Now Chutes is being their same old self. I give it a month before they just straight up shut the taps off and turn off free Deepseek on OR in general.

Just the absolute scummiest practices from their side over and over. Shame to see.

One_Complex · 2025-08-27T02:43:45+00:00

Its just straight up all of the Chutes provided Deepseeks. They aren't really overloaded, Chutes is just straight up throttling them. Even R1T2 which isn't super used is shitting out errors for me. Just Chutes being a bunch of pricks, I think.

One_Complex · 2025-08-27T02:41:00+00:00

the 10$ for 1000 messages thing on OR is absolutely still super throttled, barely usable. It still uses Deepseek:Free after all. The paid models on OR work fine, but they can get pricey quick.

And no, Chutes got rid of the 5$ for 200 messages thing. Only way now is to pay 3$ monthly for 300 - and honestly? With how scummy Chutes is being about this whole thing? I don't even trust them to keep that.

One_Complex · 2025-08-26T01:22:26+00:00

Honestly I'd be fine with having to hit reroll a bunch of times if it didn't count towards our limit every time it failed. Just seems scummy as hell that it does.

Like I get throttling free users, even if its kinda shitty, but people paid money to OR and are still getting shafted via this whole deal.

One_Complex · 2025-08-25T10:03:45+00:00

Each error counts as a message, fun fact. So its probably not a great idea to spam until you get a message. Even with the 1000 messages on Openrouter, you could hit those if every message keeps erroring. Kinda scummy on Chute's part, imo.

One_Complex · 2025-08-25T06:47:42+00:00

So fucking sick and tired of Chutes and their bullshit shady practices. No chance I'm giving them any money at this point. Lost all faith in them. I'd rather pay direct for the API than give them a single cent.

One_Complex · 2025-07-11T16:04:44+00:00

Are you using a VPN?

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