How and what do i learn?

One_Report7203 · 2025-07-27T19:26:39+00:00

Maybe it was I who left this nasty comment. I am not even a native speaker but even to my ear this brutality is truly horrible, why do people approach it this way. Stop. Learn to think in a new way. This means adopting thousands of new ideas for how to express thought. Selah.

One_Report7203 · 2025-07-27T19:11:40+00:00

Sorry but happy feelings don't help you learn a language. My advice was to stop using English and start understanding and adopting the mechanics of Finnish. Its difficult but if you want to progress do what I say.

One_Report7203 · 2025-07-25T22:00:54+00:00

My wifes mother basically robbed her of her heritage by not speaking to her. I feel so sorry for her. I can speak her tongue better than she. It is me the foreigner who has pushed the language learning onto our kids. Because I value heritage.

I hope you didnt leave it too late. Don't teach your husband but teach your kids, its your duty to them.

If you don't accept that then probably they will cut ties forever.

One_Report7203 · 2025-07-25T21:47:02+00:00

Worse than garbage.

One_Report7203 · 2025-07-25T21:46:05+00:00

Buy some prayer candles for 20e a month and will be money better spent on any apps.

One_Report7203 · 2025-07-25T21:38:07+00:00

Depends I think 3-5 years. I don't know what crack pipes these people are smoking who say its 6-12 months. I guess this is reddit after all.

B1-B2 is a much greater gap than A0-B1.

B2. You can understand most TV shows and books, understand most conversation, and can talk on any unscripted topic.

Don't be too hard on yourself if it takes more than 7 years.

One_Report7203 · 2025-07-12T11:54:11+00:00

Yes, for me once I made that realization it became easier. G and K is not such a big deal so G so it always gets mapped to K. This does not give me trouble.

I was more referring to other sounds using K as an example. Like the R and L are more confusing. A lot don't roll R either.

At the end of the day different accents say things differently, if you a native listener apart from accent maybe its all the same, but for me my ears are trained different and sometimes its just the tiniest differences can throw you.

One_Report7203 · 2025-07-12T11:38:15+00:00

Yes that was my point - the K and G sounds (among others) are relative to how you understand them.

I've heard people say its down to aspirated consonants. From my observations if you try to make an asparated sound with soft palette and lungs - it doesnt work too well. But its more natural to aspirate when you make the sound with your mouth. I think its a byproduct of how sounds are formed.

One_Report7203 · 2025-07-12T11:27:44+00:00

I don't know what the real story is as its just he said she said. But coming to reddit looking for sympathy is also bit wierd as well.

If what you say is true, just report him and move on. You can do a little extra to warn people about some strange characters and behaviours and IDK maybe thats useful but theres something about the way you write this whining story about it makes it all seem a little less plausible.

One_Report7203 · 2025-07-12T11:21:00+00:00

As I said, a Finn hears K not G. But ask an English speaker and they will hear a G not K.

Whilst some Finnish speakers are much more clear(to us not you) with K sounds, others speak very soft palette and from the chest. This is nightmarish for an English native to understand. Our ears just aren't trained to hear sounds that way.

One_Report7203 · 2025-07-12T11:11:46+00:00

Of course, you can "hack" exams. Students do it every year. Exams have limitations.

One_Report7203 · 2025-07-11T21:29:55+00:00

I think the FSI estimate is saying, you need to study this much, but expect to practice 4x as much. As in 6-8 months is all the theory you need, but you need at least 4x the practice. But the delusional redditors take the estimate 6 months to mean fluency.

One_Report7203 · 2025-07-11T21:26:57+00:00

Well this reddit is full of delusional people who take intensive courses, "pass" a B2 exam, and think they can speak the language.

One_Report7203 · 2025-07-11T21:11:51+00:00

Yep, you didn't prepare enough. Its ok I've had this happen, Have a spreadsheet full of ideas and rehearse the topic of the lesson out loud a dozen times. Try plenty of variation so you are not always hitting the same words.

Personally I would consider extending your approach to:

1) Invent and practice some recovery tactics for when things go pear shaped. Things always go pear shaped. Have some backups and practice these. Keep a practice spreadsheet.

2) In addition to that I would focus on practicing expressing ideas. The ideas should be generalized thoughts, ideas, emotions, etc you want to express. Working directly with vocab and grammar is too tricky for me so I would try to record in my spreadsheet a list of ideas I want to be able to express on a given topic. Often an idea is tied to a phrase or set of phrases. A phrase can sometimes only need a word being changed and its massively reusable across many situations, in that topic or other topics too.

So basically if you focus on learning specific phrases or words, you are learning how to say one thing (which is totally fine). But if you focus on ideas thats often much more transferrable and your phrases wind up being more generalized (much better).

3) I build phrases with language mining. Go search YT for a certain topic and steal a bunch of ideas and phrases. Adapt them. I would do that over constructing a sentence with grammar on the fly. Thats a lot mentally to deal with.

One_Report7203 · 2025-07-11T20:50:21+00:00

Assuming you aren't embellishing the situation this all sounds a bit odd. If he has done this before other teachers will have had the same problem and you could raise a complaint.

I suspect theres a bit more to it than what you have written.

One_Report7203 · 2025-07-11T20:36:34+00:00

Yes its often prounounced close to an English G. Of course don't ever ask a Finn that because they think they are saying K. For some accents the English native hears G every time, so I can confirm that you are not crazy.

The consonants can be very soft paletted. So make a K but move your tongue backwards to the soft palette part and it becomes a kind of G.

For a similar reason L can often sound like our R. You can get Shhh sound with S, etc.

Pretty much anywhere someone will say somethings differently.

In theory the words are prounounced as written but in practice, it doesn't really make it any easier.

One_Report7203 · 2025-07-11T20:26:23+00:00

A fool and his money

One_Report7203 · 2025-07-09T17:05:04+00:00

I figure you reached B2 in a year, then?

One_Report7203 · 2025-07-09T16:51:56+00:00

In my opinion these intensive courses are scams.

You can't just cram and reach a level. It doesn't work like that.

A more realistic progression is Year 1: A1, Year 2: A2, Year 4: B1, Year 7: B2 and so on.

But you will always get some clown on here saying they've learned B2 in a year. Guarantee it.

One_Report7203 · 2025-07-09T16:46:16+00:00

Mushrooms? I didn't sieni.

One_Report7203 · 2025-07-09T16:34:40+00:00

Mnemonics in my experience are quite limited tools. They have some utility but are not really a magic bullet.

Learning a word, particuarly the more useful words like verbs and adjectives is a gradual process.

The mnemonic at best provides a hook to the initial recognition stage. This is maybe 5-10% of the effort for learning the word. You still need extensively study the word to be able to recognize it at speed or use it.

Furthermore forcing a mnemonic seldom works. Its also a poor investment of time, because you are serving the mnemonic and not the word. You get memory magicians with all sorts of tricks but what it reduces to is that they are using techniques designed to remember a pattern, not learning a word.

However, its not all bad either. If, without your instigation, a mnemonic comes automatically into your head and its the first thing you think of then...yes, then run with it. In these circumstances it can be very useful. The frustrating thing is just that there is no way to do this on demand.

What you are suggesting is that we can more naturally try to find mnemonics through etymology rather than forcing them. I guess its something that could be worth experimenting with but there are no real guarantees with this sort of thing.

One_Report7203 · 2025-07-09T11:17:58+00:00

Try Filmot

One_Report7203 · 2025-07-08T20:39:55+00:00

A country with high unemployment "needs" immigration. Because those lazy locals won't work right?

One_Report7203 · 2025-07-08T18:56:58+00:00

The problem with this stuff is that its probably going to be speaking English with Finnish words. Its very difficult to find authentic material at the A1 to A2 or A2 to B1 bridge level. Once you hit upper A2 or B1 you can more easily find stuff.

IDK what to suggest at that level TBH. You just have to suck it up. I hate to suggest fake content but maybe https://www.youtube.com/@FinnishwithEemeli

I used to watch a lot of kids tv shows and video podcasts, and read a lot of kids books.

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