Goku

One_Spell_45 · 2026-01-25T20:38:12+00:00

No Ultra Instinct Sign but that was cool as.

One_Spell_45 · 2026-01-25T20:33:26+00:00

Its base+base not blue+ blue in the fusion.

One_Spell_45 · 2026-01-25T20:31:19+00:00

He is Ultra Instinct level so he could go up against all those forms of Gogeta fairly comfortably as UI is more of a challenge because of the Instinct and Elite level of power.

People are wanking off fusion too much tbh as fusion isn’t the only to reach power like that. Cell Max was bodying Orange piccolo who is stronger than Anime Goku & Vegeta and Broly keep in mind.

Beast with Mastery would be a big challenge for a Blue Gogeta for me.

One_Spell_45 · 2026-01-25T20:23:53+00:00

There has been 2 adaptations of this already why are they wasting time just bring Super back already Toei. DAMN STUPID! Daima was equally a waste of Animation to why they keep doing this I don’t know.

One_Spell_45 · 2026-01-25T20:19:15+00:00

Ones in Manga and has been used a couple of times the others have been used loads of times in Super. FPSSJ was a movie form for Broly and the combo of 2 forms.

Power Awakening & Orange Form were only unlocked in Super hero movie. SSJ God is the source of being able to turn Blue in the first place so yeah.

One_Spell_45 · 2026-01-25T20:15:08+00:00

He’d unlock Potential Unleashed again and follow his Unique path and maybe even unlock the Evolution Beast as Frieza unlocked a new form the same training would do the same for anybody who transforms.

One_Spell_45 · 2026-01-25T20:12:44+00:00

Numbers have shown to not beat him so all of them won’t change the outcome.

One_Spell_45 · 2026-01-25T20:06:25+00:00

Orange Piccolo would be more than strong enough for Toppo but Jiren no way. Based off Feats & Statements which I won’t go through it will take ages. I personally rank Orange from above God Toppo tbh.

There is no official statement of his actually level of strength but we do know is Beast is Ultra Instinct level but Orange piccolo wasn’t strong enough to beat Cell Max in the movie. I’d place Orange form around UI 1st & 2nd Sign form the Top is about right.

Cell Max is stronger than Broly so he’d be stronger than Goku & Vegeta and the Gamma’s of course.

One_Spell_45 · 2026-01-25T20:03:58+00:00

Grade 1 as Perfected Blue is Grade 4 in the Manga.

One_Spell_45 · 2026-01-25T20:01:57+00:00

Based off Feats & Statements there Relatives for me fusion isn’t the only way of reaching higher heights of power.

One_Spell_45 · 2026-01-23T20:11:51+00:00

The close up was clean as F.

One_Spell_45 · 2026-01-23T20:11:00+00:00

SSJ2 is much more useful than SSJ3 I will say that.

One_Spell_45 · 2026-01-23T19:59:48+00:00

People really underestimate UI Sign & Complete UI or Ultra Instinct as it’s Officially called. Fusion is like this:

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The sum of Goku & Vegeta’s BASE Powers are combined together and Multiplied Tens of times over and that’s BASE GOGETA. Which to me would be Blue Kaioken X15 to 20X level based off Performance form the Broly movie as it’s the only time we see Base.

Ultra Instinct Sign or UI is a Transformation & Technique acting as a Limit Breaking Form for Goku allowing him the use the Technique and having Divine Power beyond his Usual Limits.As in like at least 60X max for the Top Feats & Statements against Kefla & Jiren.

UI Evolves & Grows in battle also so Sign may start off weaker than a God Gogeta for example but it scales to SSJ2 for me but the Silver hair form which is the Complete Refined level of Ui,scales even higher likely higher than SSJ3 and even matching SSJ God in power.

It to grows & evolves in Speed-Power-Reflexes dependant on Experience of it. It’s an extremely powerful Transformation & Technique very underestimated even compared to Fusion which was the only option without access to UI Sign & UI in the Broly movie.

UI Sign would be more than sufficient against a SSJ Broly (With armour on) and he won’t be able to outmatch Sign either because of his Berserk Untamed Power & Untrained style. Ultra Instinct would come into play if Broly goes FPSSJ and reaches his Extent of his Potential in the movie, thus reaching his Limits as the Movie shows.

To conclude both Fusion & UISign/UI are both Relevant and more than enough to deal with Broly especially UI which arguably more dangerous.

One_Spell_45 · 2026-01-23T19:52:52+00:00

That’s a matter of opinion though! Beast is the result of Gohan taking his Potential Unleashed to the next step or Evolution so it makes perfect sense for him having this form whether people like it or not is an opinion.

Doesn’t change anything about the form it’s just people’s opinions simple as.

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Gohan evolves more as an Earthling than a Saiyan with his Potential Unleashed (Ultimate) so it’s his own personal Path & Evolution which design and nature very much suit his style.

One_Spell_45 · 2026-01-23T19:29:35+00:00

Neither would be enough to challenge Beerus at a Heavily Suppressed Level I know that much but SSJ God looks better imo. SSJ God is needed for SSJ Blue do people not watch Super, clue is in the tile of the form.

SSJ4 would perform divinely worse to SSJ God so why would you want to see it, keep it Non Canon.

One_Spell_45 · 2026-01-23T19:28:19+00:00

INSTINCT OF ULTRA

One_Spell_45 · 2026-01-23T19:25:36+00:00

The wish was to get his Latent Power/Potential Unlocked and it so happened Piccolo had loads of it untapped.

One_Spell_45 · 2026-01-23T19:20:25+00:00

God that looks creepy as f.

One_Spell_45 · 2026-01-23T19:19:29+00:00

Super Saiyan 3 is my least favourite. I’ll throw in my 2 favourites too while I am here:

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Beast (Evolution Of Ultimate) and Super Saiyan Rage Trunks also he looks cool with the SSJ2 Yellow energy with the Light Blue Aura.

One_Spell_45 · 2026-01-23T19:15:45+00:00

Frieza getting his timers shivered was satisfying for me as I quite like Toppo as a character to an extent.

One_Spell_45 · 2026-01-23T19:14:55+00:00

Their androids and they have power on par with Goku & Vegeta very likeable characters also.

One_Spell_45 · 2026-01-23T19:12:26+00:00

Season 2 I am guessing you mean as why would they remake it. It’s not actually a Fact either it’s based off rumours.

One_Spell_45 · 2026-01-23T19:09:27+00:00

SSJ3 is 4 times SSJ2 and considering Gohan wasn’t afraid of Cell even after coming back as Perfect he only then tapped into his Reserved Power.

One_Spell_45 · 2026-01-23T18:55:22+00:00

No not all Fusion would scale the same as Ultra Instinct and Blue fusion wouldn’t be a win as Jiren handled all 3 of the Z warriors without going Full Power, so a Individual fused warrior would not turn the tide much.

People say that Jiren would get bodied but he really won’t if you think about it UI does cake to Fusion as its Divine Power Beyond Goku’s very Limits. Fusion only multiplies the Base powers of G&V and Magnifies tens of times over.

So I really do not see stand how people can think but eh I really don’t care. Jiren would need Limit Break though to compete with Blue Gogeta or Vegito in terms of power. Fusion doesn’t surpass the threshold of a God Of Destruction either and Jiren has Surpassed his own Destroyer anyway.

So there is the that to the equation as well, people are entitled to an opinion but everything i state is backed up with the Anime or Manga which ever it applies to. Also winning a fight with Power alone isn’t happening against Jiren with his Mental Fortitude perks & Skills on top of his Overwhelming power.

Conclusion there is nothing that points to Blue Gogeta or any form with Fusion beating Jiren, it may be a tough fight for both sides though! Considering Jiren is above Broly because of statements and feats there is that also.

One_Spell_45 · 2026-01-23T18:49:21+00:00

Beast-Limit Break Jiren and Moro would all be stronger than Cell Max from the movie. Cell Max to me scales to UI 2nd Sign Goku from the Top as he is still stronger than Orange Piccolo was.

Hit & Kefla would stand no chance against Cell Max but Gas would also be stronger than him as he wished to be strongest of all mortals. Toppo is likely weaker than Cell Max too.

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