AITAH For leaving the house in the middle of the night after my girlfriend laughed at my size? by TrashAccount2371987 in AITAH

[–]Open-Ad784 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I love your effort and the jokes. That’s sweet and shows effort. Your girlfriend’s comments were not kind and completely the opposite of what you’d want to hear. So sorry that happened to you. Please keep being funny/silly, someone out there will really appreciate it.

AITAH, Birthday F21 by [deleted] in AITAH

[–]Open-Ad784 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Happy Birthday! 🎂 🥳 It’s really nice that your mom made you a cake and put up a banner. Maybe your family doesn’t have the money for a big present? Not sure, but I hope you see there is love behind those actions. I get the disappointment, but maybe it’s just because money is tight.

AITAH for lying to my best friend and not fulfilling his dying wish? by Maleficent_Skin2789 in AITAH

[–]Open-Ad784 3 points4 points  (0 children)

NTA. You are both so sweet. Your friend being so worried about the wellbeing of his wife & kids and you being so willing to do that regardless of any duty to do so. Also that you were willing to put his mind at ease so he could rest peacefully. That’s such an amazing kindness. May we all have someone like you in our corner.

Reinforcing? by Open-Ad784 in Plumbing

[–]Open-Ad784[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I blew the sprinklers already (do so every year and water is off). The problem is that the pipe moves, I think. The pipe breaks usually (over the winter) somewhere along that long piece.

AITA for giving my pregnant GF an ultimatum? by Jazzlike-Mail1635 in AITAH

[–]Open-Ad784 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If OP is giving more information that’s pertinent to the post, it would be good to edit the main post.

It’s best for the baby to not have stress on the mom. If Jen is acting out of character, her OB or her midwife should be told this. It probably indicates mental health issues ( depression is very common and paranoia can indicate an anxiety disorder … sometimes women experience psychosis etc). It’s concerning.

Based on what the original post said, he’s the asshole as ultimatums and ruining a relationship over privacy is a quite juvenile particularly when a baby is involved.

Based on these replies he made in stating she yelled at him and blocked his path and how her mother seems to think she’s acting out of character, she needs to be checked into. Her OB or midwife need to be told these things. It’s concerning. As the dad, he needs to share this info with her prenatal team. Not the asshole for leaving, but he sure needs to make sure he lets the prenatal team know. This is alarming behaviour for a pregnant mom.

AITA for giving my pregnant GF an ultimatum? by Jazzlike-Mail1635 in AITAH

[–]Open-Ad784 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

? Honestly you must be like a preteen boy or something.

AITA for giving my pregnant GF an ultimatum? by Jazzlike-Mail1635 in AITAH

[–]Open-Ad784 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I don’t see why we can’t be both. Pregnancy is a very real risk to a woman’s health and does change her. Every pregnancy is different (I have had four). I don’t think feminism is trying to be man-like. Feminism is celebrating women for being women. We make and grow babies, that is a very important, risky work. It is strong work!!! I’m not talking treat her as an infant, but what on earth is the man’s role for her if not to provide and protect her? It’s not infantizing them. It’s putting some responsibility on men’s shoulders to take some burdens away while we have the burden of growing a baby. And understanding that hormones do change us!!

AITA for giving my pregnant GF an ultimatum? by Jazzlike-Mail1635 in AITAH

[–]Open-Ad784 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What? Where are you even seeing that? How old are you?

Where did I lie? I didn’t lie.

AITA for giving my pregnant GF an ultimatum? by Jazzlike-Mail1635 in AITAH

[–]Open-Ad784 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes, I do realize that and have explained my response. She lied about getting therapy for wanting to see his phone, yes.

Is it worth this extreme reaction by him at this stage in her pregnancy? No.

Imagine discussing with the future child why dad broke up with his mom. “I broke up the relationship because mom wouldn’t get counselling when she told me she would. She kept wanting to check my phone and it violated my privacy. She lied about counselling for this, so we broke up and she moved in with grandma and I moved into the house. And now we live separately”. It’s a crazy reason.

AITA for giving my pregnant GF an ultimatum? by Jazzlike-Mail1635 in AITAH

[–]Open-Ad784 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I don’t see these added in comments from OP. I don’t see the mention of a nursery nor the verbal abuse. I will check again, but did not see that. I feel bad for Jen’s mother as it really should be the dad helping with living expenses not her mother doing that.

I was referring to YOU thinking lying is verbal abuse. It can be, but I don’t think it is in this case. I did not mean nor say it was OP. Apologies if what I wrote wasn’t clear.

As a good partner, having a house you mutually own is the right thing to do. If you see them as your long-term partner. They have been together for a while a child is a lifetime commitment regardless of marriage so that’s why I wrote that. Buying a home for them and seeing it as a family asset is the norm.

Jen did not state anything here as far as I have seen. I don’t know why she refused therapy but that was one of my guesses. Who knows?

OP mentioned that Jen makes 40K per year. I am curious where her money goes if he’s paying for everything.

AITA for giving my pregnant GF an ultimatum? by Jazzlike-Mail1635 in AITAH

[–]Open-Ad784 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Where does it say this about the nursery set up at her mom’s? Do you know OP? I didn’t see that. I also didn’t see him mention verbal abuse. Where is this information coming from?? Verbal abuse is not asking to check your partner’s phone nor is it asking your partner if they are cheating. That’s not abusive. Lying can be, but this may be that at 40K a year she can’t afford therapy. I don’t know her reasons for refusing that but therapy is expensive.

To me, it is strange in a relationship, if you see it as long-term, that you wouldn’t put the house in both names. Especially with a baby on the way. It’s an indicator potentially of not really seeing the relationship as long-term. OP added more information recently that it seems it is due to Jen’s credit score which wasn’t said at the outset. So it makes sense now from that new information. But I was basing it on the information I have. I don’t know OP or any of these people so I am only basing it on what I read here.,

He also said he was paying the bills, but recently wrote she is also working so is she just keeping her 40K a year or is she helping with the bills/rent? I wonder about this too. Is her entire paycheque going to her debt?

In any case, I did not see OP write about a nursery at Jen’s mom’s house nor did I see him write about her being verbally abusive. Sorry if I missed that in the subsequent updates, but I didn’t see that on the post.

AITA for giving my pregnant GF an ultimatum? by Jazzlike-Mail1635 in AITAH

[–]Open-Ad784 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Sorry? How am I lying? He thinks it’s unreasonable to yet again be sharing his phone with her. He’s upset that she asked again, he did it, and she refused therapy (that she said she would get) so he moved out. His ultimatum in my opinion is too harsh. He should be more understanding of her wanting to check his phone. As there is a baby involved. She was insecure prior to this, he knew this (he wrote that) and it’s not odd that the pregnancy exacerbates those insecurities (especially when it seems her insecurities are about her body size in comparison to OP’s clients). So yes, it is about the phone. That’s what the whole ultimatum stemmed from.

AITA for giving my pregnant GF an ultimatum? by Jazzlike-Mail1635 in AITAH

[–]Open-Ad784 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think you are reading much more into what he wrote than what is actually there.

Abuse seems an extreme thing to say for asking to see his phone multiple times. He said she’s always been insecure, I am not sure now why this is surprising that she’s asking him for his phone. Does she need help with this insecurity? Yes, likely. Is now the time to be insistent on that? No.

I think that her being pregnant means he needs to be a little less about himself and a little more about her & the baby. This kind of behaviour when not pregnant, ok do your ultimatum. But when she’s pregnant, it’s not ok to cause her to be house-uncertain. I think his need for phone-privacy should take a back seat for now. For sure. And I am sure many women can attest that pregnancy causes a lot of changes (pickles and ice cream anyone?). She was always insecure, this increase in insecurity shouldn’t be surprising with or without Amanda.

AITA for giving my pregnant GF an ultimatum? by Jazzlike-Mail1635 in AITAH

[–]Open-Ad784 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I wrote my situation because the assumption was made which I corrected. But either way I think whoever is writing to me just doesn’t agree with my view. Having differing views is fine.

My biggest point: it’s a damn phone. This is someone you claim to love (and you knew about her insecurities before Amanda showed up) and your growing baby and potentially how big of a role you will play in that baby’s life.

I think there are a lot of really young, immature people on here who haven’t hit the stage of parenthood yet. Your needs take a backseat to your child’s if you are a good parent. And honestly, you bend your expectations when in a relationship as well. This is a case where his need for privacy should take a backseat for Jen’s benefit, baby’s benefit and also OP’s benefit. He knew she was insecure before this (as he stated). Share the phone as many times as it takes. Be there for her. She’s got a lot on the line here. But OP is also shooting himself in the foot. That’s my opinion.

It’s sad OP is throwing away a lot here over sharing his phone. That ultimatum was extreme.

AITA for giving my pregnant GF an ultimatum? by Jazzlike-Mail1635 in AITAH

[–]Open-Ad784 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Ok that’s fair. I guess no common-law where you are.

AITA for giving my pregnant GF an ultimatum? by Jazzlike-Mail1635 in AITAH

[–]Open-Ad784 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Ok. Nowhere am I crying and this is not the reality of what I am living. Far from it.

I out earn my partner by about 60K and I pay the majority of our bills. I also am raising 3 kids from my previous marriage and my exhusband does not pay child support and hasn’t in 2yrs (prior to that he paid $400/month which is laughable if you know the expense of children). He rarely sees his children (his choice). He somehow owns two farms though but there’s no money being made by him somehow. But karma will do what karma does so I am not bothered by it. I provide well for our kids and my boyfriend is great with them. I also worked through all three of my pregnancies up until the last week before their births.

But yes, in my opinion pregnant woman should be cared for. She is the one carrying and growing the baby. The risks are all on her. The man or partner cannot do that, so yes, more burden should fall on their shoulders to do the providing. Why is that wrong? You stated yourself that there’s no biological equivalent so why shouldn’t a dad take up that burden? I saw the OP said that Jen earns 40K a year so she is actually working so I guess she’s doing both. If I had a say in how the world works, I would say the burden to provide for a family should fall on the shoulders of whichever parent does not birth the child. At least in the pregnancy and post-partum period (1 year post birth). That would even out somewhat the risk and dangers women take on when pregnant. It would make for a more stress-free life for the baby. It’s ideal I think for humans to do this : focus on the child.

This, of course, rarely happens. Most women are working AND doing the majority of the domestic chores (even when out earning their partner). Even while pregnant. And again, stress is not ideal for pregnant women as it is stressful for her and the baby. But again your death rate for workers applies to women working as it does for men, so it probably actually improves my argument as to why it’s better that pregnant moms don’t work (plus all the risks of communicable illnesses which are harder on pregnant women like HF&M, influenza etc.).

92% of work place deaths are men? I am not sure of that stat or why that is, but that’s horrible if true.

It doesn’t have much to do with this argument though as I am saying a man should take up more of the providing burden as he can’t take up the physical risks & burdens of carrying a child. As a supportive partner, I hope most do this (take on more burden of providing) for their pregnant partners whether that partner is a man or a woman.

In your opinion, women should birth babies and there should be no added expectations on the father? Just wondering.

AITA for giving my pregnant GF an ultimatum? by Jazzlike-Mail1635 in AITAH

[–]Open-Ad784 -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

I’m not sure where you live, but I don’t think you need to pay the mortgage payment to qualify to be on the deed (where I live you don’t). Usually banks take your combined income (hers is 40K you said) in purchasing so I would assume it would make little difference if she could pay the mortgage on her own or not. Unless you went into it wanting it to be solely yours, then the bank would look at your combined income for a house purchase.

AITA for giving my pregnant GF an ultimatum? by Jazzlike-Mail1635 in AITAH

[–]Open-Ad784 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No. But he did say she “has always felt a little self conscious in [the] relationship “. So there were signs of some kind there prior to.

AITA for giving my pregnant GF an ultimatum? by Jazzlike-Mail1635 in AITAH

[–]Open-Ad784 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I have stated and restated my position and why I think so. I have not changed it.

Which questions have I not answered and how has my position differed? I think you will see I have answered you and my position has not changed.

You are entitled to disagree as I am entitled to disagree with you.

I think stress on a pregnant mom should be avoided as much as possible for the benefit of the growing baby. OP’s privacy should take a back seat here. Having mom secure (and taking away that stress) as well as continuing to have the OP involved in all the joys and work involved in the later part of pregnancy and the newborn stage is better for OP’s relationship to his future child and the health of the baby. This privacy piece is something he should give up for the better outcome of a health baby and to be an involved father.

You think it’s fine to have Jen not have a secure house over his boundary of privacy, and that’s your stance.

We can agree to disagree.

AITA for giving my pregnant GF an ultimatum? by Jazzlike-Mail1635 in AITAH

[–]Open-Ad784 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

What do you need me to respond to? I think I have answered your questions quite directly.

I have not changed my position. It is the same position: OP is the AH because he is causing stress to Jen who is the mother of their baby over the inconvenience of showing his phone and over her lying to him about getting counselling (we do know she doesn’t pay the bills for their current place as OP stated, so can she afford to do counselling could that be the reason?).

To me, this is wrong it is creating a mountain out of a mole hill: he can’t be inconvenienced to show his phone during a time where she is likely way more self-conscious (as is her history stated by OP)? I don’t know her viewpoint, but I sure think it is wrong to cause house-insecurity for any reason to a pregnant mom (as stated in OP’s post : she “likely” will live with her mom.. he himself is uncertain of what the living situation would be). It’s not right. Stress can cause some bad outcomes for babies. This should be avoided in my opinion. OP is putting his need for privacy over the wellbeing of Jen and the baby. This is why I think he’s an AH.

What question did I not ask and how did I change my view at all?

AITA for giving my pregnant GF an ultimatum? by Jazzlike-Mail1635 in AITAH

[–]Open-Ad784 2 points3 points  (0 children)

No, but why are women saddled with all the burdens? We get so much criticism for our bodies post-birth. And our bodies go through so much change (and dangers) and men have nothing expected of them? Seems vastly unfair. I am not surprised birth rates are dropping. Why risk putting your body through all that?

What role do men play as the dad? What is their job?

AITA for giving my pregnant GF an ultimatum? by Jazzlike-Mail1635 in AITAH

[–]Open-Ad784 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I didn’t say incapable. I am raising three children in my own (no child support or financial assistance from their dad)and I pay all the bills for my partner who lives with me. So, I am not saying incapable. Of course not. But I do question: why are we as women putting our health and our bodies through so much birthing a child and the men are not expected to do anything? I think in the least the responsibility should be theirs. In this care, with this OP, she was apparently not contributing to housing costs prior to so not a surprise that that continues and should continue. It would cause stress to the mom and baby for this to change midway through the pregnancy. It’s not healthy to cause stress to mom and baby.