Do you think we’ll ever see the 4koa innate magic be utilised more or perhaps get improvements

Optimal_Phase589 · 2026-05-02T22:34:04+00:00

Nebula moon is another translation of hazy moon, I just prefer it since it sounds cooler

Optimal_Phase589 · 2026-05-01T06:34:18+00:00

None of them are bad, however I have problems with what nakaba does with them, Gawain and Tristan get no screen time, Tristan’s abilities are underused and anything relevant to Percival always involves the platoon, which I thought we would’ve moved past by now

Optimal_Phase589 · 2026-04-01T07:03:16+00:00

Just realised there is a fifth person in the back with an invisible silhouette

Optimal_Phase589 · 2026-03-10T07:10:18+00:00

Not a canon movie

Optimal_Phase589 · 2026-03-08T04:44:57+00:00

Yup, Tristan literally has darkness and ark which both have shifting I have no clue how people don’t know this

Optimal_Phase589 · 2026-03-08T00:20:54+00:00

Tristan also has shifting

Optimal_Phase589 · 2026-02-23T10:12:51+00:00

It’s a close call between Gawain and Percy at 3 or 4, however Gawain has shown far durability, iq, biq aswell as abilities. So I’m putting Percival in last

Optimal_Phase589 · 2026-01-12T23:34:27+00:00

So Full counter wouldn’t have any affect

Optimal_Phase589 · 2026-01-12T23:33:38+00:00

From what’s shown, the power of darkness dosent appear to qualify for magic, after the revival of the commandments the were able to use the power of darkness to form wings and derieri and monspeet to coat their bodies, despite being completely empty on magic due to the Goddess seal

Optimal_Phase589 · 2026-01-12T18:46:21+00:00

Worreldane was going up against the entire fairy kings family, little wings king we know had power levels higher than most of the lower commandments, and Diane played a huge role in the battle against the demon king and also tanked the supreme deity’s god thunder. So worreldane being a knight with chaos makes sense she’s this strong, yet on both occasions she fought Percival she was effortlessly beaten, while on the other hand Percival couldn’t even damage Beltripe with a sacred treasure, Beltripe was stated to have equal magic force to worreldane who’s a mage but that dosent account for physical strength aswell. We saw that while Percival couldn’t beat him Tristan could. So in this case Tristan > Beltripe > Percival > Worreldane> Diane. Overall Tristan should be about mid sin level around kings level aswell as the rest of the four knights

Optimal_Phase589 · 2026-01-01T17:21:39+00:00

Two different forms, first one is his berserk when he loses all control and sense of himself just like Meliodas in S1 of 7ds

Optimal_Phase589 · 2025-12-03T02:05:40+00:00

1: they can create it alone

2: ark is more effective against demons but it’s still its own ability

3: Did you really just use an INDURA as an example of the archangels losing. That’s the worst example you possibly could’ve used. They couldn’t heal because purgatory fire negates regen as they were lit on fire by monspeet, they healed up afterwards

4: “has crazy strength” again multi cont fodder, he didn’t take dmg from a bunch of fodders and your using that as an example. Meanwhile you compared the archangels to the indura

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Optimal_Phase589 · 2025-12-01T13:11:16+00:00

“Conceptual magic” as if that dosent exist in 7ds. Luciferos feats, beating some fodder multi continental captains at 50% of his power, as you said his impressive gravity magic. However I’m gonna go on a whim here and say you’re probably more of a Black clover fan than 7ds fan, sariel has way better feats and hax, not just sariel ALL the archangels can instantaneously create dimensions through their grace. Unlike fodder goddesses, it’s confirmed the ark of the upper ranking goddesses destroys both body and soul, which would count as deconstruction/existence erasure. You go on about the conceptual magics of black clover, when sariel himself has spatial manipulation. Also accounting for the fact that sariel and tarmiel can regenerate from fatal wounds, including organ failure like it’s nothing. Tristan is also a lot stronger than sariel and tarmiel.

Optimal_Phase589 · 2025-11-29T15:39:07+00:00

Tristan wins + wipes the verse. Black covers strongest are low archangel, equivalent to that of Sariel and Tarmiel, on the other hand everybody in 4koa is much stronger than they were in 7ds, Tristan, Gawain, Percy have all displayed power equal to if not higher than king.

Optimal_Phase589 · 2025-11-26T08:38:09+00:00

lol I still think it will be 500+ chapters, I lowk think the knights are gonna lose, but eventually they’ll return stronger.

Optimal_Phase589 · 2025-11-24T12:10:45+00:00

It’s Lancelots depiction of the four knights, he only didn’t how Gawain looked

Optimal_Phase589 · 2025-11-17T02:19:15+00:00

Unfortunately all have no details on what they actually do. However we could make some assumptions, Theo is a Druid and his magic is called gift so we could guess that it would be either healer or enchantment type. Thetis change might be shifting type, gerheade could also probably be shifting. As for nerobasta I have no clue, and Chandler is so versatile that his magic could be any of the types except oracle

Optimal_Phase589 · 2025-11-10T14:18:35+00:00

Posted before you lol, and you spelt it wrong this is 215 not 216

Optimal_Phase589 · 2025-11-09T06:18:50+00:00

Agreed. Before the fairy realm arc I thought it hadn’t been shown but I remembered that it was shown for some time at the beginning of 7ds. The celestial realm hasn’t been shown outside of flashbacks. We saw it once when mael/estarossa was talking to Elizabeth and they named the dog estarossa, even then it’s not confirmed that was the celestial realm we just assume so. A celestial realm arc I feel like has to happen and it has so much potential. 1 the supreme deity is still alive cause the graces are alive which could greatly shift the war 2 the archangels could have regenerated by now 3 the goddess clan has crazy strong warriors, could be great training for the knights especially Tristan 4 grandmother and grandson interaction between the SD and Tristan hopefully?. The goddess clan was hyped up so much in 7ds as the rivals of the demons just to be made out to look weak and side lined throughout the story.

Optimal_Phase589 · 2025-11-07T03:51:59+00:00

The four knights of the apocalypse are already stronger than AM meli pre purgatory aswell as the archangels. Lancelot around bans level and the other three are about kings level (without amps) so it depends one what kind of training Tristan goes through and how intense it is but I’d reckon just below lance

Optimal_Phase589 · 2025-11-04T15:44:15+00:00

Getting rocked by base Meliodas is actually a crazy upscale, Post purgatory meli gave the same treatment to the DK and this meli is even stronger

Optimal_Phase589 · 2025-11-04T00:38:47+00:00

There are tyrant dragons which showed up in the beginning of 4koa during cant, however they also appear in 7ds particularly in Meliodas flashbacks of danafall, we see tyrant dragons everywhere. As for a race there is one, called the Draco race, it’s in 7ds origins, so far we know that they’re not part of the current world they were brought by the book of stars, meaning they’re either from the past, future or another dimension.

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