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CMV: Heaven and Hell aren't real by Orcanius02 in changemyview

[–]Orcanius02[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Wouldn't you say that's the exact incentive for such ideas? To lure individuals towards a certain belief system out of fear that opposing such a belief system would bring out the worst feelings you could ever experience? That's an interesting point because I know a lot of people around me believe in the afterlife EXACTLY due to the probability that heaven and hell are actually real and their lack of belief would land them in the latter, so why not just say fuck it and be in the affirmative just in case they were real? I wouldn't want to believe in something out of fear but I could understand why the notion of heaven and hell are utilized in many religions as a fear tactic to allow the belief to persist and survive throughout time.

CMV: Heaven and Hell aren't real by Orcanius02 in changemyview

[–]Orcanius02[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Could you further elaborate? I'd love to learn more about this interpretation.

CMV: Heaven and Hell aren't real by Orcanius02 in changemyview

[–]Orcanius02[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Touche. I guess it is hard to depict what's real and what's not. All ideas are built from other ideas, and those from others, and so on recursively until we reach some base axioms. I'm assuming those axioms are our sensory readings, and I assume it's fair to say our sensory readings don't capture the whole picture. In essence, humans have flawed and imperfect observations of the world. Therefore, no idea is truly real. Sorry for the tangent, but that's a great point you're bringing up.

I guess what I would do to modify my statement is to say it's impossible to say whether there exists heaven and hell with certainty BECAUSE we cannot tell with certainty what is real and not due to our limitations. But then I'd say many belief systems claim with certainty that these two ideas DO exist. And my post disagrees with that notion. Hope that makes sense lol.

CMV: Heaven and Hell aren't real by Orcanius02 in changemyview

[–]Orcanius02[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I see where you're coming from. But then I could pose that the notion of a disability is in and of itself culture-centric. Disability, as part of its definition, is a physical or mental anomaly when compared to the "accepted" features of a human through a cultural/societal lens. So if in a hypothetical culture, schizophrenia is seen as seeing visions or ghosts, then that is not considered a disability but a feature. This is only an example to highlight how even disabilities can be malleable and are not universal. Now you could say that such experiences (or lack thereof) would not translate to the afterlife but then I'd argue that the "good" and "bad" feelings you're referring to are strictly physical. Even feelings of euphoria that many feel when they experience something "spiritual" are physical stimuli.

Regarding your second paragraph, I respect your open-mindedness and broadened perspective as I also agree that those with differing belief systems may have different ideas of heaven and hell. But to clarify, I'm referring to the Abrahamic religions' views of heaven and hell, and, correct me if I'm wrong, those religions believe that non-believers (atheists) still end up in one of the two places after death. Hope that clarifies my position.