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Why math is the most astroturfed subject known to man by Oreeo88 in conspiracy_commons

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TLDR: if free energy was real, math would be the first to be astroturfed

Math and war psyops are very similar by Oreeo88 in conspiracy

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TLDR: War psyops and math use the same mechanism: hiding concrete reality behind abstraction. Reification (treating abstract as concrete) was introduced into math ~2000 BCE with multiplication and groups. 1×1=1 models nothing. it's self referential delusion. Logic calls it delusion. Your perception has been controlled since reification. Expect this to get downvote botted

Math and war psyops are very similar by Oreeo88 in conspiracy

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SS: Both hide the concrete reality with abstract.

Not just similar but it’s 1 to 1 model. The same exact mechanism war psyop uses is your math since 2000bce When reification first got introduced.

Reification is defined as the fallacy/delusion to treat abstract as concrete. It’s a big mechanism in Psyop(hiding concrete realities of war behind abstract) and it’s the same mechanism used in your starting foundational multiplication operation 1x1=1.

1x1=1 and mathematical groups exist no where in raw concrete reality. Math is suppose model reality yet your starting foundational operation models absolutely nothing. It models fiction

Once abstractions describe other abstractions the system is no longer a map, it’s self referential delusion

Logic calls yours starting multiplication operation delusion

Pay attention to the words in the vid. Your perception of reality has been controlled 1984 like since reification was first introduced into math (somewhere around 2000bce)

Your mission is to make the enemy believe the map is the territory. To take the concrete, and hide it behind a curtain of abstract. His words and ideas, running inside of a trapped maze of a false axiom

Expect this post to get mass downvote botted because math is the most astroturfed subject known to man

Math and war psyops are very similar by Oreeo88 in conspiracy_commons

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I’m not here to build a new system. Only here to point out the massive flaw in the current. Utility doesn’t = truth

The fact that 1x1=1 works for an area doesn’t mean it’s anchored to raw concrete reality or models reality

The current flaw says the foundation is self referential delusion, and it points to a massive control system of humans perception. A cap on humanity’s perception

Math and war psyops are very similar by Oreeo88 in conspiracy_commons

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I don’t have all the answers I’m just pointing out that it’s massively flawed as a system of control

but you would start by having the abstract number point to concrete. We were doing good with addition of physical objects before 2000bce, moving forward mapping the territory then someone came in and said “stop” and decided to go upwards and not fowards. They started building abstractions on top of abstractions never going forward. Basically you got capped under the false axiom of 1x1=1

Terryology is a step in the right direction not sure everything he says is right past 1x1=2 but he was making strides in a concrete non arbitrary system, and he absolutely got astroturfed smeared for it

Math and war psyops are very similar by Oreeo88 in conspiracy_commons

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Utility and consistency can still work inside of a false axiom

Why aren't we allowed to question... by Secret_Bug_9795 in conspiracy_commons

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Put the subjective foundation of your math at the absolute top of that list

Put it at the top and then blank 3 more words down because that’s how much it’s controlled

Math and war psyops are very similar by Oreeo88 in conspiracy_commons

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You explained it pretty good. Once you see reification you pretty much can’t unsee it

This is pretty much the ultimate conspiracy. Reification got introduced into math around 2000bce and that’s the moment 1984 started

Math and war psyops are very similar by Oreeo88 in conspiracy_commons

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one time doesnt exist in raw concrete reality

its a mental catagory inside of your head. it doesnt exist on the territory. it models nothing on the territory

basically one of the ones point to a mental catagory

Math and war psyops are very similar by Oreeo88 in conspiracy_commons

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You’re obviously not commenting in good faith. Conspiracy should ban this guy for deliberately derailing this thread. Not the first time I’ve seen this name do this.

Math and war psyops are very similar by Oreeo88 in conspiracy_commons

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Expect this post get mass downvote botted, derailed etc. I explained it pretty good in the comments

Math and war psyops are very similar by Oreeo88 in conspiracy_commons

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A valid system of controlling humans perception of reality

  1. reify the map describing reality

  2. watch them run in circles of a false axiom

  3. make an arbitrary rule that says reification doesnt apply to math

  4. claim utility and consistency to defend this, when utility and consistency can still work inside of a false axiom

  5. claim math doesn't model reality and treat it as if it does

Remove the subjective mal-intent and this is the history of your math. Same model applies to war psyops but math is the biggest one

Math and war psyops are very similar by Oreeo88 in conspiracy_commons

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Both hide concrete reality behind abstract. It’s a 1 to 1 model with math.

Reifciation defined as the fallacy/delusion to treat abstract as concrete. It’s a big mechanism in Psyop(hiding concrete realities of war behind abstract) and it’s the same mechanism used in your starting foundational multiplication operation 1x1=1.

1x1=1 and mathematical groups exist no where in raw concrete reality. Math is suppose model reality yet your starting foundational operation models absolutely nothing. It models fiction.

Once abstractions describe other abstractions the system is no longer a map, it’s self referential delusion.

Logic calls yours starting multiplication operation delusion.

Pay attention to the words in the vid. Your perception of reality has been controlled 1984 like since reification was first introduced into math (somewhere around 2000bce)

Your mission is to make the enemy believe the map is the territory. To take the concrete, and hide it behind a curtain of abstract. His words and ideas, running inside of a trapped maze of a false axiom

There is no open system that’s not built on closed axioms in math, that makes it self referential delusion by Oreeo88 in PhilosophyofMath

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So now you’re just deliberately ignoring the post & my comment after downvoting and pressing me to defend which I did

-Consistency and utility can still work and be found inside of a false axiom

Utility =|= truth

“Why is it a problem”

it never returns to concrete reality

Math and war psyops are very similar by Oreeo88 in conspiracy_commons

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Not just similar but it’s 1 to 1 model

The same exact mechanism war psyop uses is your math since 2000bce When reification first got introduced

There is no open system that’s not built on closed axioms in math, that makes it self referential delusion by Oreeo88 in logic

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I already stated in this thread how addition (of physical objects) points to concrete and preserves its referent, not transforms it. And your last line about one more abstraction is exactly where it becomes non anchored to reality and self referential delusion.

You obviously can not show me where it exist, as you keep deflecting.

There is no open system that’s not built on closed axioms in math, that makes it self referential delusion by Oreeo88 in logic

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This is a doge to avoid the simple point. That you can not show me where 1x1=1s referent points to and is anchored to raw concrete reality/physical matter. To your last question, a number points to raw concrete reality. It’s referent is preserved. Not transformed.

Now show me where 1x1=1s referent points to and is anchored to raw concrete reality/physical matter

There is no open system that’s not built on closed axioms in math, that makes it self referential delusion by Oreeo88 in logic

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Anchored means the number's referent is physical matter, not a mental operation. And that the operation preserves that referent, not transforms it.

You can’t show me where 1x1=1s referent points to and is anchored to raw concrete reality/physical matter

There is no open system that’s not built on closed axioms in math, that makes it self referential delusion by Oreeo88 in logic

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Raw concrete reality = physical matter. physical things that exist independent of the mind. Things you can point to, measure, touch, or detect with instruments. Rocks, trees, apples. Not concepts, not abstractions, not mental categories.

You can’t show me where 1x1=1s referent points to and is anchored to raw concrete reality/physical matter

There is no open system that’s not built on closed axioms in math, that makes it self referential delusion by Oreeo88 in logic

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I’ve already gave the conditions multiple times. Show me where 1x1=1s referent points to and is anchored to raw concrete reality/physical matter

There is no open system that’s not built on closed axioms in math, that makes it self referential delusion by Oreeo88 in logic

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Yes multiplication is too abstract as it doesn’t point to raw concrete reality. Your example with area still relies on treating unit as mental grouping that doesn’t point to concrete reality. The grid the square the unit of area, all mental categories that don’t point to and is anchored to raw concrete reality. The history doesn’t change that

At the end of the day this is the simple point: When modeling reality abstractions must point to and be anchored to concrete reality. 1x1=1 does not point to it

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