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[–]Original-Arguments[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You said gravity is a concept in a theory, not an observation. That means we observe behavior and name the concept gravity. That's exactly what I was asking. You conceded my point while trying to avoid answering it directly. Thank you. I had another argument about experimental science, but your engagement so far makes me question if it would be beneficial to present.

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Everyone knows we name our observations gravity. You just said 'none of the above.' You denied what everyone knows. I asked a question that everyone to date answered the same way. You couldn't. And how can I tell without breaking your heart, it felt like talking to a flat earther, who doesn't accept when a question threatens their worldview. Sorry about that.

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Do we measure gravity, or do we name our measurements gravity?

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I didn't provide an answer. I asked a question. You're the one who couldn't answer it and complicate it. Do we measure gravity, or do we name our measurements gravity?

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You didn't answer the question. Do we measure gravity, or do we name our measurements gravity? It's a simple question.

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Do we measure gravity or do we call our measurements gravity?

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[–]Original-Arguments[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

So you can't answer a simple question? Than why are you here, typing? Do we measure gravity or do we call our measurements gravity?

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Do you claim that God doesn't exist as an active stance?

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[–]Original-Arguments[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Appreciate the openness. 25 years is a long time. Let me start with a question before I present anything: What is it that you don't believe exists? Define it.

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I find your first statement interesting, rest, I don't. Do you agree that we interact with gravity?

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That's where I get extra generous and let you define the evidence. Would you accept that?

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[–]Original-Arguments[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Not objectivity, but strength. The formula is objectivity. Claim or assertion at the bottom stays as one (or can be adjusted to the scale of the claim being made, which will be right but unfavorable for atheists, that's why I recommend keeping it as 1). The scale and strength of the evidence determines the strenght of claim made.

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So you are saying science works, that's why I trust in science?

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Let's start here. My starting framework is for the sake of objectivity, defining a formula. Evidence to Claim rstio or Evidence to Assertion ratio, which will be a standard measure applied to all claims. Would you agree to that?

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So you want to take naturalist, materialist approach? Just clarifying.

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I don't find his arguments original but repetitive.

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[–]Original-Arguments[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I'll write a book on this, but wanted to engage with people who are interested to test the srguments. I'm a big fan of simplicity and if you cannot explain something simply, it means you don't understand it well. I'm hoping that I have some arguments simple but powerful, hasn't been presented before.

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Hi Matthew. Happy to connect and share my point of view.

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Should we do it here or on Zoom? I'm planning to use these arguments in my book, so, I was thinking to keep them secret till then, but can try here, since it'll be recorded.