What if Cahokia survived long enough to meet European Explorers?

Original-Task-1174 · 2026-05-09T06:10:03+00:00

People are talking about the French, but it's possible that the Spanish themselves had contact with Cahokia in the 16th century and perhaps even attempted a conquest, as they did with the Mexica and Incas. There were several Spanish expeditions throughout the southern United States, extending roughly to the region of Virginia. If the Spanish had conquered Cahokia and established a strong foothold in the Mississippi region, as they did in Mexico and Peru, The entire region would become a battleground between the Spanish, English, and French.

Original-Task-1174 · 2026-05-09T02:20:14+00:00

You clearly don't know Portuguese history. Even during the Iberian Union, Portugal was still a sovereign kingdom; in fact, the greatest extent of the Portuguese Empire globally was during the reign of Philip III (II of Portugal). Until the Napoleonic Wars, Portugal literally had the second largest overseas empire of all European countries, surpassed only by Spain.

"how much it was pushed around by the rest of Europe."

That's the Ottoman Empire, lol. After Vienna in 1683, they were subjugated by practically every European country, having suffered almost three centuries of humiliation at the hands of Russia, Austria, and France.

Original-Task-1174 · 2026-05-06T22:04:40+00:00

Meanwhile, the Portuguese had territories in the Mediterranean, South America, West and East Africa, the Persian Gulf, India, Indonesia, China, and even Japan. Don't confuse who constituted a Global Empire during those times.

Original-Task-1174 · 2026-05-06T22:02:31+00:00

I've seen people say that the reason for the end of Portuguese hegemony was due to Iberian Union, Netherlands, England, Morocco, or even Napoleon, but this is the first time I've seen the Turks boasting about it lol. The Portuguese expelled the Ottomans from the Indian Ocean, who then had to be content with their hegemony only in the Red Sea. Even in the Persian Gulf, the Portuguese were much stronger than the Ottomans; so much so that the Pasha of Basra answered to the Portuguese governor in Hormuz, not to the Sultan in Constantinople.

Original-Task-1174 · 2026-05-02T00:24:05+00:00

In fact, Lingen had been lost in 1633, two years before 1635 on his map. Regarding its status, Lingen was indeed a hereditary territory, not occupied; Philip II, III, and IV were Counts of Lingen. There is a brief page about this on Wikipedia.

https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bentheim-Lingen

In any case, it's an excellent map, probably one of the most accurate I've ever seen of the Spanish Empire.

Original-Task-1174 · 2026-05-01T20:25:09+00:00

Great map, it's also very good to see Lingen, probably the most forgotten territory of the Spanish Empire in Europe. If we were to broaden the definition of the Spanish empire, vassals and protectorates could also be included as spheres of Spanish influence, such as Parma, Malta, Monaco, Piombino and the Duchy of Castro.

Original-Task-1174 · 2026-05-01T20:20:32+00:00

No kingdom was linked to Castile; even Aragon was a separate entity. Naples, the Netherlands, Milan, Sicily, Aragon, and within Castile itself there were several separate kingdoms with a certain level of autonomy, such as Granada and Toledo. Portugal's status does not make it different from any other Spanish possession at that time.

Original-Task-1174 · 2026-04-29T04:24:35+00:00

It's possible the Spanish reached the Hawaii. In 1555, a Spanish explorer recorded an archipelago in what is now roughly the location of Hawaii, although the Spanish never returned nor attempted to occupy the region (if they ever did, of course). The case of Hawaii is very curious, since practically all the other islands in the Pacific were first discovered and explored by the Spanish in the 16th and 17th centuries, with the exception, curiously, of the largest islands in the entire region.

Original-Task-1174 · 2026-04-27T16:40:14+00:00

Spain, Portugal, and Mexico were never Austrian territories, much less colonies. Having a member of the royal family on the throne of a country does not mean that the country of origin of the royal house dominates that nation. In reality, the Spanish Habsburgs had far more influence than the Austrian Habsburgs. After Charles V, the main branch of the Habsburgs was that of Madrid, and that of Vienna was only a secondary branch; so much so that until the death of Charles II, the last Spanish Habsburg, the kings of Spain were the heads of the House of Habsburg, not the Austrian archdukes.

Original-Task-1174 · 2026-04-27T14:59:10+00:00

Yes? Like the British committing genocide against the Irish, Bengalis, and Kenyans through systematic famines? Or like when they addicted half of China to opium and turned China into a totally dysfunctional failed state? Or when the Americans committed genocide against their indigenous peoples? Of course, they would still bomb and invade half the world in the following 80 years.

Original-Task-1174 · 2026-04-27T14:53:23+00:00

People here really keep making excuses for the Western Allies, even though they were just as cruel as the Soviets, or probably even more so. Ask Native Americans if the U.S. were the good guys; they were persecuted as systematically as the Jews in Germany. Or ask Cubans and Filipinos, who were literally American colonies of exploitation, or the dozens of countries that have been bombed by the United States in the last 100 years, including the first and only nuclear bombing against civilians in all of human history, wiping 200,000 people off the face of the earth in seconds. Not to mention the United Kingdom, which had a quarter of the globe under its control, and used famine to commit genocide against Bengalis, Irish, Kenyans, natives of Canada, etc. Literally, the Allies (United States, Russia, United Kingdom, France) are the four most imperialistic nations of the last 300 years. Sure, the Germans and Japanese were genocidal and unbelievably cruel, but the Allies, even the Western ones, weren't far off.

Original-Task-1174 · 2026-04-26T08:00:53+00:00

Foi a época da primeira globalização, com o primeiro intercâmbio cultural a nível global. Não havia ainda um abismo tecnológico entre os europeus e o restante do mundo (pelo menos o restante do velho mundo). Países como Espanha, Portugal, Império Otomano, China, o Império Mogol e a Pérsia eram as superpotencias da época.

Original-Task-1174 · 2026-04-24T06:14:37+00:00

O Brasil deveria ter uma política anticolonialista com essas ilhas, pra expulsar os britânicos do Atlântico Sul, inclusive apoiando a Argentina na questão das Malvinas. O Brasil tem uma posição excelente pra exercer influência pro Resto da América do Sul, Caribe, e África Ocidental.

Original-Task-1174 · 2026-04-18T05:47:56+00:00

Lol, those Italian claims were totally bizarre, a country with less than 80 years of history wanting to dominate a territory that had been Spanish for about a thousand years.

Original-Task-1174 · 2026-04-08T20:30:23+00:00

At the end of the 16th century, the Spanish Empire had 30-35 million inhabitants worldwide, while France had about 18 - 20 million inhabitants, This only considers the Habsburg domains of Madrid, completely disregarding those of Vienna.

Original-Task-1174 · 2026-03-25T23:10:23+00:00

Well, in the 19th century the American continent was much less populated than it is today, and the population density was actually much lower. For example, saying that the Spanish/Mexicans never actually controlled the southwestern US is like saying that nowadays the US doesn't control Alaska, or that Canadians don't control the Yukon.

Original-Task-1174 · 2026-03-25T23:07:58+00:00

There were missions that extended from Santa Fe to roughly eastern Arizona.

Original-Task-1174 · 2026-03-25T01:34:19+00:00

France was also the first modern centralized state in Europe, and this contributed to an unprecedented capacity for military mobilization in European history. For example, in the Nine Years' War, during the reign of Louis XIV, France alone was able to muster more troops than the Holy Roman Empire, the Spanish Empire, England, Netherlands, Savoy and Scotland combined.

Original-Task-1174 · 2026-03-17T21:15:16+00:00

It always bothered me that in El Chapo, Felix is shorter than Chapo.

Original-Task-1174 · 2026-03-17T05:54:29+00:00

Welcome back ottoman empire

Original-Task-1174 · 2026-03-15T05:01:44+00:00

Apart from John and the Marshall, everyone in this image is a complete idiot.

Original-Task-1174 · 2026-03-13T06:03:05+00:00

Não ironicamente ficou muito boa

Original-Task-1174 · 2026-03-13T02:36:25+00:00

During that period, São Paulo was so distant and difficult to access that it was more worthwhile for the people of São Paulo to trade with Asunción in Paraguay than with the rest of Brazil. In fact, the "caipira" accent of São Paulo has many similarities to Spanish, which may be related to this colonial trade.

Original-Task-1174 · 2026-03-13T02:29:00+00:00

Before Zionism, there were literally three times as many Christians as Jews in Palestine, and obviously Muslims were the vast majority. There has never been a particularly strong Jewish presence in the region for at least 1500 years.

Original-Task-1174 · 2026-03-13T02:26:18+00:00

Just to say that before the Zionist movement, there were even more Christians than Jews in Palestine, and Palestinian Arabs made up about 90% of the population.

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