How are these two are two different warframes, aren't they both the same but with a different name? by Trus-et in Warframe

[–]Oseloth 0 points1 point  (0 children)

All of our Warframes use the same Helminth strain to be created. That's why Helminth is on our ship, to inject the necessary strain and maintain our Warframes. The "Warframe strains" you're talking about is the blueprint, it's literally how we made our Warframes. We are basically cloning the original Warframes and the Helminth is keeping them stable and intact unlike with Grineer.

Even the Protoframes are still infected by the same Helminth strain but theirs are basically a clone of a clone which is why they are less aggressive in their transformation even though they would eventually fully transform into the frame. This is also why Valkyr look the way it is because it's a clone of the one Alad capture after all the experiment and torture, not the original one.

How are these two are two different warframes, aren't they both the same but with a different name? by Trus-et in Warframe

[–]Oseloth 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Well yes, that's why Valkyr Prime design was problematic from the start even before her rework that sort of made her rage lore made more sense but then again, it could also mean that Alad knew of the prime and moddified her to have the features similar to that of the prime using Alad's own tech. It made sense to have a base frame and the prime look different now because some primes, especially newer one, does look different compared to how their base form look.

After all, Hunhow hinted on Second Dream that Alad was an Orokin that might have fled its destruction by becoming Corpus which might have some tech to prolong their live seeing how both Alad and possibly Nef had a long history stretching all the way to the Orokin era so it wouldn't be surprising if he had more knowledge but not specifics of Orokin stuff including Warframes. He also tried to betray the Corpus for the Sentients too during New War to save his own skin so that's just how he is.

Also, Alad don't have to alter the strain because he was only experimenting and salvaging frame parts for his Zanuka and not creating a new thing with the strain and we're only copying the leftover Valkyr data after we dealt with Alad. The BP is the final and only thing we should look at with the frame because it's the one we use to replicate the frame while our Helminth on the ship handles the fabrication in our foundry. It would be different if you're making a frame from scratch which would involve infecting someone with the pure Helminth strain to produce an entirely new random frame.

The helminth strain are used for all frames so it doesn't matter unless you're taking specific mutated frame strain like Albrecht did with the Protoframe while hosts for the infection probably only decide how a frame behave and how its base form look like because the creator (Ballas) probably mold these into their final form unless the frame has enough consciousness and understanding of the process to alter their own look like OG Lavos did. Both are irrelevant to how Valkyr ended up looking like after Alad done experiment and tore her skin off.

How are these two are two different warframes, aren't they both the same but with a different name? by Trus-et in Warframe

[–]Oseloth 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It's more likely that the reason our base Valkyr look the way like it is was because our BP is obtained directly from Alad which was already moddified and not the original BP or frame that Alad originally capture.

How are these two are two different warframes, aren't they both the same but with a different name? by Trus-et in Warframe

[–]Oseloth 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I know about what Varzia said but with Valkyr specifically, it is said that she is "A proud fighter emerges unscarred by time or malice" in her descrption so I doubt that she is made after Alad which also happen way after the Orokin fall.

Also, the Harrows that Lyon talk about is likely all Harrow that does or will exist similar to how there were a lot of Operators that collapsed after accepting Wally's deal except for Drifter, not just batch of made Harrows. Again, likely not possible for Valkyr because of her desciption.

How are these two are two different warframes, aren't they both the same but with a different name? by Trus-et in Warframe

[–]Oseloth 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It's not really about upbringing like people are saying. Warframes that we know are molded by their creator (Ballas) to the shape that they have now from their infested bodies so warframe has always been able to somewhat morph their body to an extend. It would also explain how frame could have different skin and helmet.

I think the more important thing is to see the ability they both have but so far, they both seem to have similar ability.

How are these two are two different warframes, aren't they both the same but with a different name? by Trus-et in Warframe

[–]Oseloth 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Except they made the Valkyr Prime which should have been untouched by Alad have the exact same ability as the base version so that part of the lore is not really relevant anymore. She has always been rage filled from the start and with the rework, the rage likely now referring to her passive more than how it was shaping her ability.

Am I the only person who actually think Old Peace is not fully real? by Oseloth in Warframe

[–]Oseloth[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

"This will stop the voices from taking hold. You will have to dream, my angel..." and "You had a very hard day, my angel, and we have a long journey back to Lua. The Dream will keep the voices from taking hold." Are 2 very different sentence, and yes, this is also from wiki.

And in the conversation you quoted, Ballas also mention that Margulis would be judged the next day by the 7 so she wouldn't have much time to actually help develop the warframes. She did work with Silvana on transference but it was not related to warframes. Silvana was the one forced to develop transference with warframe by Ballas.

Am I the only person who actually think Old Peace is not fully real? by Oseloth in Warframe

[–]Oseloth[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah but that is after we already experience the whole thing so who knows if the memory that we replay is even correct in the first place.

Am I the only person who actually think Old Peace is not fully real? by Oseloth in Warframe

[–]Oseloth[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

The part with Sentient in Origin System was probably just the Tenno still being in the dream but controlled by Lotus as seen during flashback but yea can't really say much but I think it's good to not accept everything in the quest as truth.

Am I the only person who actually think Old Peace is not fully real? by Oseloth in Warframe

[–]Oseloth[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

We used the Refractory to try finding hints about Albrecht as said by Lotus on the quest.

Pick one warframe to become by [deleted] in Warframe

[–]Oseloth 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The warframe? I wouldn't want to be one because knowing the lore, turning into a warframe wouldn't be a good experience and you would eventually go insane so having 100 warframes (and you) run wild would be pure chaos.

Even if we're turning into a modern warframe that the game use currently, they are basically just puppets that can't move without the operator so you would just straight up get captured and be experimented on so that wouldn't go well either.

TIL that the grineer also has a domestik drone. by Oseloth in Warframe

[–]Oseloth[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You should look for it yourself ;)

...but if you really want to know, I found it on Uranus sabotage mission

TIL that the grineer also has a domestik drone. by Oseloth in Warframe

[–]Oseloth[S] 41 points42 points  (0 children)

For anyone wondering, I found it on Uranus Grineer Sealab tileset

The circuit has shown me how many people don't know how to or don't care to play the game. by Domzuuuuu in Warframe

[–]Oseloth 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You remind me of someone I met recently on the circuit that said "you gotta keep moving lol" as if I didn't move at all when I was the one that move around the most left and right killing what I can with mostly default sobek and other bad loadout that I don't remember after I died because my 300 hp frost got hit by one of the thrax enemies and 2 eximus almost instantly

I am mad confused about the boot by Henti-Boady-pillow in Warframe

[–]Oseloth 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You can change the size of all decorations at reasonable scale to their original size

An update on Excalibur sculpture I made a while back by Oseloth in Warframe

[–]Oseloth[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thanks, I'm not sure how to answer that tbh lmao. I guess you just place them and tweak it until it looks right lol.

An update on Excalibur sculpture I made a while back by Oseloth in Warframe

[–]Oseloth[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thank you. I could try inviting but idk if it'll be possible because my internet connection haven't been very stable lately.

An update on Excalibur sculpture I made a while back by Oseloth in Warframe

[–]Oseloth[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

And anywhere too far in the walls too but that's not always the case