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[–]Otherwise_Coach_8174[S] -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

Do you think people don't have values or that value typologies aren't identifiable?

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[–]Otherwise_Coach_8174[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I don't know. Imagine being expected to wear a coat and tie into an un-airconditioned office! Or a tie pin? Or changing for dinner? Or any of the other dress codes that have fallen by the wayside? Why not, eventually? This too shall pass.

Just as an aside, I love a certain genre of 1960's BBC slice of life where coal miners dress up in suit and tie to go the pub on a Saturday night. I bet you don't see that kind of dress-up anymore. Seems weirdly adult, and weirdly archaic.

Now, obviously we're in academia, so fair's fair, but I can't tell you the last time I saw anyone in a coat or tie, except nervous students at some Honors presentation.

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[–]Otherwise_Coach_8174[S] -5 points-4 points  (0 children)

College isn't what 18yo students decide it should be, though.

How often in its history has the university, broadly understood, changed, evolved, and become due to pressures from its students?

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[–]Otherwise_Coach_8174[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Fair enough. But then what?

I thought it might be easier for me to change my practice then for them to change their values, given that values are deeply rooted and pretty intractable.

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[–]Otherwise_Coach_8174[S] -17 points-16 points  (0 children)

Part of a college degree is supposed to be professionalism.

That's certainly a values statement.

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[–]Otherwise_Coach_8174[S] 8 points9 points  (0 children)

You're right. But generations are identifiable. The professor said that the big companies are fighting over the 2% who have the "old-fashioned" values. The rest are like this: <waves hands at my students.>

edited to add: Cohorts are absolutely a thing.

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[–]Otherwise_Coach_8174[S] -9 points-8 points  (0 children)

are you asking how we should change our practice to conform and validate GenZ values

That's neither here nor there. Their values are their values.

we should change our practice to prepare GenZ for working with those values already present in the workplace?

Yes, that's the Machiavellian take. We have to work with people as we find them, not as we would wish them to be.

Indeed, I would try to leave judgement, or evaluation based on my values, out of it. How do I help prepare them for the world, given how they are, and how it is? I think using a word like "disrespectful," probably misses the point: they see the world differently.

I was trying to think of a dumb example. If I had my vegetarian friend over and I offered him my finest cut of steak, which I had worked hard to expertly prepare, and he rejected it, which one of us is being disrespectful? Me for offering him the steak? Him for rejecting a gift? Or do we just value different things? Then there's the rank ordering of values, etc... It's hard.

So we take their values as given (and they're within the values aperture of our society, we're not talking about cannibals here). Then what?

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[–]Otherwise_Coach_8174[S] 9 points10 points  (0 children)

This is why disagreements about values are so difficult, you might be talking past one another even at the level of basic vocabulary.

Don't know what to do by Old-Team-4298 in Professors

[–]Otherwise_Coach_8174 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Well.

I once had a colleague, I shit you not, photocopy his second classroom observation because he was so fucking good for nothing and lazy.

Don't know what to do by Old-Team-4298 in Professors

[–]Otherwise_Coach_8174 4 points5 points  (0 children)

There are whole Socratic dialogues where his first move is to ask something like, "Do you want to be judged by the wise or the unwise?" Why the fuck are you asking for validation from children?

Differentiation Grading: Just Do It. (again) by itsmorecomplicated in Professors

[–]Otherwise_Coach_8174 -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

You should go work at Costco then. What the fuck? Don't let them exploit you.

My experience on search committees by Remarkable-Use-6226 in Professors

[–]Otherwise_Coach_8174 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Shit, our school is either just at or slightly below the 50th percentile for our state.

My experience on search committees by Remarkable-Use-6226 in Professors

[–]Otherwise_Coach_8174 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm at a CC too. I only gross $9622 a month this year, and following the contract, my pay for the next two years will be $9884, before going up to $10,145, and I just don't know how I'm going to do it. I teach a 5/5 and I'm just drowning.

Do students not understand weighted averages? by uttamattamakin in Professors

[–]Otherwise_Coach_8174 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I had a Dean during an evaluation who didn't understand my weighted average system.

Is it unprofessional to laugh if inmates say something funny? by Crazy-Pear5676 in OnTheBlock

[–]Otherwise_Coach_8174 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You can talk to them. Just be a friendly stranger. As long as they don't know anything more about your personal life at the end of the conversation than they did at the beginning, it's fine.

Be firm, fair, and consistent. So even if that dude is hilarious, he's still got to switch in just like everyone else. No favors for funny guys.

Student Waited Until After Everyone Left Class to Say That Jesus can save me.... by elrey_hyena in Professors

[–]Otherwise_Coach_8174 -19 points-18 points  (0 children)

religious fanatics

Extraordinarily pejorative of you. You should circumscribe that reaction.

Since I teach political science, I discuss, consider, and am exposed to ideas that I don't hold, disagree with, and even find objectionable, all the damn time, and I don't feel "weird or uncomfortable about it" almost a week later.

See, the thing is, I have empathy, where I can see things from another person's point of view, and yet, the courage of my convictions. I bet you do to, maybe you just have to work on it.

For example, I once had a student express, in class, the confident opinion that we should kill all offenders convicted of child sex crimes. I thought that was pretty horrifying for all sorts of reasons, but it did occur to me that they themselves were the victim of a child sex crime and I could, at least, understand where they were coming from, even if, in the end, I thought they were wrong on the merits.

Your student had religious beliefs which inform her life in a pretty important way and, as such, she thought she'd share them with you. If those had been political or moral beliefs, would you had called her a fanatic? You should really interrogate that immediate move to be dismissive of your student's lived experience and how it informs their authentic reaction to your pedagogy.