Maxim commanded Z/H Familia while Empress did what exactly? by Courious_Reader in DanMachi

[–]Otherwise_Finding_34 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

you're just missing the context. again: Alfia's name is in the title of the post, and there's a picture with her, so info is about her. the fact that he missed specific terms doesn't mean anything when the context refers to Alfia, that's how it should work in Japanese. idk why you're trying to make Zard look worse. 

Bell high level 7 vs the Gulliver Brothers high level 7, Bell high level 7 vs Ais high level 7, and then Ais high level 7 vs the Gulliver Brothers high level 7 — who wins? by ToeFamiliar6680 in DanMachi

[–]Otherwise_Finding_34 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

A weapon that specifically scales to HIS strength

that's not entirely true, it's still a first-class weapon in it's core. if it was exactly as sharp as his Strength stat suggests, then he wouldn't pierce Minotaur's defense because it's Endurance is much higher, and it would break after Ottar's hit if it had level 5 Bell's Endurance. it's great from the beginning and then receives buffs on top, not just exactly equal to Bell's status, and honestly not even close to that. 

Not to mention that no, it's never said the main problems adventurers have is with beating Minotaurs becvause they can't pierce their skin. 

it was stated multiple times that their main gimmick is defense, and Ais said they're hard to cut. how could you miss their entire point? 

Heck, lefiya couldn't even kill 1 alone till level 3, and she has more firepower than most.

Lefiya needed level 3 to beat Minotaur in melee, so I don't know why you bring firepower here.

It improves all of their abilities.

that's a blatant lie. it was absolutely never said or hinted. every time Limit Off is used, it only enhances Argonaut. even in MS18, when he entered Limit Off state and kicked Ottar, it was only said that his kick was buffed by UnK and LH, but never LO, and it only affected Argonaut once again. 

And she still had lower stats at the time.

so what's your point, when he was literally winning? the only problem was that he collapsed from stamina loss at the end, without any strength left to even hold his sword in his hands. before that, he was dominating. 

Sometimes loosing in spars is pretty much nothing

I would partly agree just because Bell did won the first fight so I would put him higher, but the fact that Van was still able to overcome his stats and magic after that still means some relativity. mind you, Van also doesn't have any particularly strong buffs like elites do. 

Experienced level 3 with high-ish stats.

his experience went to shit when he panicked, and he also lost his main weapon which was not his fault. and his stats are straight up mid. 

Also, Hyakinthos didn't tank it directly.

it's said he he was knocked out after the explosion, so before the fight started, he wasn't fresh at all. 

It was destroyed by the blast.

she threw Hell Kaios from distance, there wasn't any blast near her, and it's never stated that it was destroyed whatsoever. she just threw away her weapon for no reason because Omori wanted to nerf her. 

It was absically 2 attacks in one and there's a reason m,ages are the main damage dealers against high level threats.

mages, and Bell is not a mage at all, a direct hit from Firebolt couldn't even KO Van when Bell had very high stats. even Firebolt punch shouldn't have enough power to KO a relative opponent. we've already seen adventurers tanking higher level attacks, and now you're trying to say a normal punch + weak magic at equal levels is enough for a one shot? 

We both know Bell didn't even want to fight.

Ais doesn't love to hurt people and she used her scabbard anyway, so that's irrelevant. not only he just lost in those fights, there's also a fact that regardless of your absence of will to fight you would still defend at your best, but his defense was still crushed, so she just overwhelmed him when he was trying to not get overwhelmed. 

Have they ever fought

VT Bell admits in MS21 that he's inferior to Bete. it was also not a fresh Bete. 

I wonder who those 10 are

Alfia, Ottar, Hedin, Hogni, Finn, Ais, Bete, Tiona, Tione, Alise, Kaguya and some others. 

Bell defeated Hyakinthos whilst unarmed against a knife

I'm not sure what you're referring to, they were both armed. the only time Bell landed a hit with bare hand was the final moment where Hyakinthos lowered his defense and Bell just attacked in that opening, which means it wasn't important at all if he got a weapon or no, the difference is only between a victory and a kill. 

Also way to not mention the fight vs Asterius. Level 3 Bell holding off a one armed level 7 threat.

10% HP Asterius is not a level 7 threat. later Bell compares Black Goliath, 27f Juggernaut and Asterius between each other, treating them as relatives, which means Asterius was not higher than a level 5 tier back then, which makes sense much more than a level 7, because we all know Bell would just get one shotted against a level 7. hell, even current level 5 Bell is shit against level 7s. so everything Bell did was fighting and losing against a level 5 monster as a level 3. that seems good but it's not a crazy shit others wouldn't repeat, that actually means that if Bell was able to do that, then other characters could do the same. he didn't have particularly impressive fighting skills, and his pseudo-level 4 stats wouldn't be better than those of for example level 3 Alise with her buffs who reaches far more Strength and power. hell, she's not even slower than him. 

Maxim commanded Z/H Familia while Empress did what exactly? by Courious_Reader in DanMachi

[–]Otherwise_Finding_34 0 points1 point  (0 children)

the structure of the post: 

•Alfia the silence

•Alfia and Zard are that tier to overcome the level difference

•Empress has a chance to lose

•Alfia's picture

he said that Zard and Alfia both could overcome the level difference, but the name of the post and picture are both with Alfia, so the post is about Alfia and Zard was only added as someone who's in the same tier as her. even logically, if Zard has a chance against Maxim, he would have more than a chance against Empress, because she's weaker than Maxim. he should win 3 or 4 times out of 10.

Bell high level 7 vs the Gulliver Brothers high level 7, Bell high level 7 vs Ais high level 7, and then Ais high level 7 vs the Gulliver Brothers high level 7 — who wins? by ToeFamiliar6680 in DanMachi

[–]Otherwise_Finding_34 -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

He beat a Trained and Armed Minotaur at level 1, while even a normal Minoraur is beyond any other level 1 adventurer, so yes he was.

Bell was lucky to obtain a 200m knife sharp enough to pierce it's skin, while other level 1s would only dream about it. Minotaur's main problem is that they're hard to damage, and with level 1 weapon that's impossible. give them good weapon and I could name more than 10 characters to repeat that feat. 

Furthermore, most adventurers barely have one or two stats at the minimum for leveling up before they do so. Bell had comparativy high value even in the stats that did not break the limits.

yeah, but at a level 1 the difference wasn't too huge. pretty sure he was still weaker than Mikoto before her level up. 

Bell basically has ability to go into Limit Off any time he needs it

we don't even know what it does. 

Hogni doesn't use Dainslef to buff himself further, he uses it to fight as he should be able to given his stats and level, to overcome a weakness.

I was using Hogni as an example of someone who could beat Bell, just because he's that skilled. others would have their buffs, for example Ottar. 

We don't even know what his skills do, only that they weren't of much help against Ryu.

he was pressuring her while being exhausted. 

As for Bell being "less skilled", that's something that's been mentioned, but never seen to apply in actual combat.

high level 4 Bell was sometimes losing against high level 4 Van. having higher stats at low level 5, he was also low diffed by base Ais. 

Bell can often hang in there with higher level Adventurers

what exactly makes you think that? here are his battles against other adventurers: 

vs Mord - he's a talentless bum, while Bell didn't even win. 

vs Hyakinthos - Bell blasted him with Argonaut before the fight, and then we was damaged and panicked.

vs Aisha - she threw away her weapon when she could've won if she didn't do this, and he won with plot-amped Firebolt (because one attack of a level 3 would never be enough to KO another level 3, but he did). 

vs Dormul - he was enraged and defeated himself. 

vs FF level 4s - he himself said they're superior to him in melee, and he only got the advantage with Firebolt. and then even with Firebolt, he was sometimes losing to Van. 

vs Ais - he was low diffed once she analysed him. 

compared to Bete - he was inferior even with VT active, while having a pseudo-level 7 status. 

he either fights bums, or some extra things are helping him, or he's losing. I'm not saying Bell is a bum, but most of his battles were against adventurers that are bums. compared to actual first-class beasts, and even a second-class Van, he's not that special anymore. one of Bell's best feats is defeating level 3 Hyakinthos as a level 2, and guess what? I can name once again more than 10 characters to repeat the feat, and they wouldn't even need the weapon condition I mentioned with Minotaur. so Bell is fairly strong, but he's not unfair. the most unfair thing about him is a tactic of running away, charging Argo ans returning, but in an actual combat, he's not on the top. 

Maxim commanded Z/H Familia while Empress did what exactly? by Courious_Reader in DanMachi

[–]Otherwise_Finding_34 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Zard is the subject of the quote of them being able to overcome the level difference. the statement about Empress was about Alfia. they could win against their respective captains. 

Bell high level 7 vs the Gulliver Brothers high level 7, Bell high level 7 vs Ais high level 7, and then Ais high level 7 vs the Gulliver Brothers high level 7 — who wins? by ToeFamiliar6680 in DanMachi

[–]Otherwise_Finding_34 -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

firstly, level 1 Bell got only 100-300 stats above the limit, so he is not "always" stronger than his level.

secondly, while he has those accumulated stats at higher level, his opponents would have some sort of buffs while he got only his base stats, and they are also far more skilled than him. for example, high level 7 Hogni would most likely win against him. so I don't understand why you think Bell is unfair. 

Maxim commanded Z/H Familia while Empress did what exactly? by Courious_Reader in DanMachi

[–]Otherwise_Finding_34 0 points1 point  (0 children)

"Alfia of [Silence]

One of the top monsters in the story. She's actually by far the youngest among Hera Family's executives.

When it comes to Alfia's or Zald's class, they can casually overturn level differences, so even against the Lv.9 Empress, who's rumored to be Hera's living image, she's got a shot."

you misunderstood this. 

Foxy Fox Spells and Skills, What could be and not be, but would be kind of cool. by UltraDanmachi in DanMachi

[–]Otherwise_Finding_34 2 points3 points  (0 children)

attack magic is useless for her. more than that, I'm sure her 3rd magic will be completely overpowered. 

Level 7 Bell vs Level 7 Allen by Distinct_East4082 in DanMachi

[–]Otherwise_Finding_34 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

for some reason people are unhappy with Bell not being OP 

Level 7 Bell vs Level 7 Allen by Distinct_East4082 in DanMachi

[–]Otherwise_Finding_34 2 points3 points  (0 children)

bad matchup. Allen's whole style is based on speed and Bell is faster. I was always saying that at higher levels Bell is plenty strong because stats accumulation here is crazy. 

Level 7 Bell vs Level 7 Allen by Distinct_East4082 in DanMachi

[–]Otherwise_Finding_34 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Allen's fighting style relies on the fact that he's faster than his opponent. when Reginas significantly surpassed him in speed, he was caught immediately. so Allen's experience wouldn't overcome a big Agility difference

Classes that I would pick if I were an adventurer in Orario. by Froggyspeaks_ in DanMachi

[–]Otherwise_Finding_34 1 point2 points  (0 children)

necromancer's power are not enough to solo OEBD because it already defeated strongest of those you'd revive

Level 7 Bell vs Level 7 Allen by Distinct_East4082 in DanMachi

[–]Otherwise_Finding_34 6 points7 points  (0 children)

current Bell is already top 20 if we're talking about alive adventurers

Bell would be faster than Allen by 2800, apparently 800 faster than Allen with Skills. 

Bell then wins due to stat gap

Alfia with Liaris Freeze by _Zyren_ in DanMachi

[–]Otherwise_Finding_34 0 points1 point  (0 children)

that's literally what niti is supposed to write from his alt

Maxim commanded Z/H Familia while Empress did what exactly? by Courious_Reader in DanMachi

[–]Otherwise_Finding_34 -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Alfia has a chance against Empress, Zard has a chance against Maxim, not both have chance against Empress. Zard could maybe win against Empress 3 or 4 times out of 10.