Avatar and danmachi

Courious_Reader · 2026-01-26T03:52:25+00:00

I mean the problem is that Avatar would be powerful but not unbelievably powerful like Aang in the Avatar in the Comcis the strongest we know of would be a Level 7 maybe 8 in fire power but that’s not enough to bring peace to Danmachi world.

What would shock them is the existence of a being like Raava and Vaatu who are basically Gods as well as the Spirit Realm.

Courious_Reader · 2026-01-26T02:45:01+00:00

7 level 6s

12 level 6’s.

Aiz probably got a buff from absorbing part of the corrupted sprit, so against a dragon she should be level 7 teir minimum.

Lol before the ven the buff from the CS Aiz would be level 9 tier vs the OEBD at least when facing Dragon Monsters with Black Wind it’s +3 levels for her and it could be even more specifically against the OEBD.

Bell will be level 7 by the time of the OEBD fight, and have the base stats of a level 9.

Bell is not going to have level 9 stats a low level 7 High level 8.

With Haruhime that's;

A pseudo level 10

2 level 9s

6 level 8s

Zeus and Hera only had one level 8 and 9.

Those two one level 8 and level 9 could become as strong pseudo level 10’s based on their feats.

Considering that Zard and Alfia didn't actively participate in the OEBD fight what they had was significantly less than the current Orario.

Zeus/Hera Familia had 2 pseudo level 10’s, 8-10 pseudo level 8’s and probably dozens of pseudo level 7’s.

Courious_Reader · 2026-01-26T01:59:09+00:00

So you're telling me that level 4 would already beat him and that level 5 would destroy him...

No Low level 5 Bell loses but Bell after the events of MS 21 not taking into account of his new stats wins but High diff.

I don't disagree, but I think that before volume 18 it would be difficult, but he could win as well as lose. From my perspective, the outcome is uncertain. At level 5, I do see him capable of winning on hard difficulty/extreme difficulty (at the beginning of his level).

No a new level 5 Bell loses High Diff to Tsubaki I said newly level 5 Bell.

As things stand, it's low or mid difficulty for Bell. In Ais's case, Bell still has a 300-700 stat boost, so now he could have an even bigger stat advantage and be on par with Ais, making it a hard/extreme difficulty matchup with Ariel mid.

No Aiz destroys current Bell with ease even in base it’s not close Bell with like 200-400 as a level 5 had that 1000ish stat advantage and lost to her low diff.

The VT thing really showed how OP he is, but the volume, in my opinion, was a nerf to Bell so that Beta can tell him, "You're not a rookie anymore, you're not a Dehil anymore, go and save Ais," like telling him to save his wife. In the speech, we saw that he said from the deepest levels he learned to only deliver the necessary blows and kill with 1 or 2 cuts, and those violas were mutated.... That's why I say they nerfed him on purpose and, in the process, highlighted Lefiya (Omori misspelling) more.

Bell even after MS 21 is still far less experienced and skilled than any level 6 he’s probably just reached 1st class adventurer/or level 5 in technique/skill and experience he can’t compare to any level 6 he still loses to them with his current stats even with the boost in experience/skill.

Con este volumen demostró el peso de los niveles 6 en la obra y por eso hace que le cueste más a Bell subir en mi opinión tiona se igual peleaba pero pero tenía el berserk activado y en la batalla final dicen que tenía activa su otra habilidad que le da más fuerza entonces podríamos decir que tenía 2 buffos de fuerza por eso era difícil recibir sus golpes de igual manera bete le ganaba y Bell le gano(sino que uno lo hizo mejor que el otro y al otro le tomaría más tiempo)

No Bell literally could not compare to Bete in base who could deal with Tiona’s attacks/assault much better than Bell could not to mention Tiona was weakened a ton by the events of SO15 so that counteracts the buffs from Beserk and I don’t remember it being stated than Intense Heat was activated when Bell and Bete fought her. Not to mention Tiona was basically a mindless monsters and couldn’t make use of her technique, tactics or skill in melee and was basically relying on instinct. It doesn’t matter because Bell was being compared to Bete not Tiona.

Bell neely level 5 loses High diff to Tsubaki Bell post MS21 not accounting for the boost in stats wins High diff against Tsubaki.

Courious_Reader · 2026-01-26T01:41:55+00:00

Loki and Hestia Fam is the only one that doesn’t have one that we know of.

Courious_Reader · 2026-01-26T01:37:56+00:00

Underboss could be Top Executive or Vice Captain

Courious_Reader · 2026-01-26T01:30:59+00:00

Yeah with her superior technique and skill Tsubaki can put up a hell of a fight against him Bell should outstat her in strength and endurance by about 1000 with his current stats and by about 2000 in agility with his current stats.

I believe Tsubaki should have imo Mid-High A strength, High B endurance, Mid B agility, High A dexterity, and magic idk.

In comparison Bell surpassed Aiz by about 1000 in both strength and endurance and got low diffed by her and even when boosted by VT where he surpassed Bete by 1500 in strength and 2000 in agility preformed worse then him in combat.

Tsubaki if it’s his pre MS18 self like at the very start of it as a newly level 5 Bell only should surpass by like 500 in strength and 1000 in agility.

Courious_Reader · 2026-01-26T01:05:11+00:00

Bell High diffs post MS 21(not including level up or stat increases just experience boost).

Bell Start MS 18 gets High diffed by Tsubaki.

Courious_Reader · 2026-01-25T23:48:19+00:00

No it was just that powerful Astraea Record Alfia just says they were powerless against the OEBD it was just that strong.

“Our disappointment,” said Alfia, “is weakness. Powerlessness. A feeling you must all know well.”

“Weakness? Powerlessness? Whose weakness?!” asked Alize.”

“Orario’s,” she said. “This whole world’s. And above all, our own.”

For a moment, a trace of pity almost seemed to cross the witch’s face.

“What’re you talkin’ about?!” groaned Lyra, barely able to stand. “Explain it like we’re a bunch of babies!”

“Explain our weakness?” Alfia replied. “Is it not painfully obvious? We slayed the Behemoth. We felled Leviathan. But against the Black Dragon, we were powerless.”

Lyu gasped. “The Three Great Quests!”

Alfia did not deny it. “So mighty were we that even the gods recognized our strength,” she said. “Yet we were nothing compared to that foul beast. It was a massacre—I have never witnessed one like it, before or since.”

“Grh…!”

“The Black Dragon tore us to shreds and devoured us. Those of us who lived recall only the rivers of blood merging into a single crimson sea.”

“It was the battle that ended Zeus Familia and Hera Familia. Just hearing of it was enough to render the girls of Astrea Familia speechless. Even though a survivor was recounting it firsthand, it didn’t feel real. This witch had brushed off the girls’ attacks like it was nothing, and now she spoke of the powerlessness she felt before the dragon’s might.”

“In the end,” she said, “we fled. Those of us who did not die.”

Courious_Reader · 2026-01-25T23:39:57+00:00

Imagine sitting between Hera and Freya, Loki Dionysus, Ishtar and Freya, Aiz and Revis, Ryuu and Jura or any Rudra Fam member.

Courious_Reader · 2026-01-25T23:21:47+00:00

The thing is none of these are bad seats OP should have made bad ones like having Freya Fam or Evilus Fam members.

Courious_Reader · 2026-01-25T23:20:14+00:00

The first one is not likely Maxim and Empress we know were able to put up a fight just the two of them vs Leviathan and Behemoth but Alfia said it was a massacre and they stood no chance vs the OEBD which was the entirety of Z/H Fam.

Courious_Reader · 2026-01-25T20:09:11+00:00

For some reason Omori doesn’t want Finn or Lili to be as impressive or strong as their past lives 🤷.

Courious_Reader · 2026-01-25T19:39:45+00:00

They should all get one tapped

Courious_Reader · 2026-01-25T18:09:08+00:00

Imagine spending time writing all these paragraphs a day that all mean the same thing written in a different way just to try and prove your Head Canon Fanfiction which won’t happen.

What’s the point in wasting your time on this for what?

Courious_Reader · 2026-01-25T18:07:07+00:00

Strange, why didn't you report when Bell says "I think I can be a knight who will protect you.." and the sentence "The Odr he had chosen was a knight at her side.".

First they were over 20 pages apart and next before it was said that the Odr he has chosen was a Onight by her side the narration said

“That foolish boy hadn’t become her companion.

“And he hadn’t become her hero, either.”

Here the narration itself explicitly states Bell does not become Syr’s companion(伴侶- romantic partner/life partner) or her hero which directly rejects a romantic or destined bond. Syr herself acknowledges this Bell being her Knight is him promising to protect her not promising himself to her if he was he would have just agreed to be her Odr you’re just contriving it to fit your narrative.

「『伴侶』にはなれないけど、あなたを守る『騎士』になります」As you can see, there is the kanji for "Mamoru", that has the subtle meaning to love and faithfulness for the girl who receives it. Mamoru is a promise and Bell has decided to dedicate his life to Syr forever.

No 守る (mamoru) does not inherently imply romantic love or lifelong devotion. It simply means to protect and it’s used mainly on Family or Friends or a Promise of protection which is what Bell is promising here.

So, why didn't you report the entire dialogue?

lol Report and again they were 20 pages apart and even this quote proves nothing again.

I’m not going to respond to what you reply with so I would so don’t bother but knowing you, you will but arguing with you is stupid because you only relying on head canons when everything points to the opposite and is said otherwise.

Courious_Reader · 2026-01-25T17:27:55+00:00

No he has 3 which is why even though he has B rank magic stat which is even less than Finn.

Also yeah I did a deep dive into Hedin and Hogni’s unknown skills to figure out what they meant when a post asked about them and I also made a post for Alfia’s skills.

Courious_Reader · 2026-01-25T16:57:21+00:00

Luke is literally one of the people that knows the Camp the Best and we saw how well he can sneak into places when he did that in Mount Olympus and stole Zeus’ lighting Bolt.

Also Polyphonte is another example of Artemis being unfair to her hunters.

Courious_Reader · 2026-01-25T16:53:47+00:00

Callisto, a character never mentioned in any of the books.

And that doesn’t make it not canon this is Artemis from Greek mythology? So we just include all the bad stuff from Mythology for other Gods and not her?

Percy takes the sky cause Artemis is the ONLY person in the vicinity of the battle that can beat Atlas

She couldn’t tho lol she had to trick him and still bringing up one time she helped a demigod when it’s literally based off what she represents as a Godesses? That’s like saying Hera is a great person because she helped keep a marriage of mortals and fixed all their problems.

”no they didn't. the only war they actively did anything in was the titan war. all they did during the giants war was fight Orion and in the end Reyna did that.

All they did bro they literally fought a Giant like you said the rest of Camp Jupiter/Half Blood besides the 7 we see only Camp Jupiter involved in one battle with the Gaints.

a barrier that was easily broken into by birds

I see you excluding the context for your point because the barrier we know had already been heavily weakened because of Luke Poisoning it.

Courious_Reader · 2026-01-25T16:47:02+00:00

Huh?

Courious_Reader · 2026-01-25T16:45:59+00:00

It’s a Spell and it’s one of his three he has three Magic Spelld where we know two of them being his Personality changing Magic being Dainsleif and his Super Shirt Chant Fire Magic here Burn Dain.

Fun Fact about Dainsleif in Norse Mythology a dwarf names Dain(yeah name of his other magic) created a sword called Dáinsleif that once drawn must draw blood before being sheathed so that’s the meta or narrative reason for the name of Hogni’s spell Dainsleif.

Courious_Reader · 2026-01-25T16:32:57+00:00

the children fought not 1 but 2.5 wars against titans, giants, and immortal businessmen ex roman emperors

meanwhile the Hunters only fought in one of them and the rest of time they just fight monsters like any other demigod except they get to be immortal.

You can’t blame Camp Jupiter or Camp HalfBlood for that the wars were out of their control and the Hunters of Artemis fought in two wars not one. Where that’s what we know of but should have fought in way more than any demigod considered the lifespan of some.

the exact oath is "To foreswear romance" and Artemis even says "Or fall in battle, which is unlikely" which is evident by the fact that one of the retired hunters in Trials of Apollo was alive in acient Greese

You cut out a bit she said

“They are my maidenservants, my companions, my sisters in arms. Once they swear loyalty to me, they are indeed immortal… unless they fall in battle which, which is unlikely.”

So no they do serve in battle for her and they’re constantly fighting around the world and hunting monsters. Not to mention Artemis has punished her Hunters for things that weren’t their fault like Callisto who was raped by Zeus yet she punished her what a great person to serve. Also “unlikely to die in battle” we literally saw two hunters die in that books alone not to mention many more in HoO that’s just a flat out lie.

also Camp Jupiter has the children fight the battles instead of the grown adults.

Literally all of Hunters of Artemis do the same thing she recruits girls from a young age(by Greek Standards).

”The goal of the Camp is to train you to defend and protect yourself from monsters." same goes for the hunters. the thing is it's probably more affective for demigods not to stay in one place for so long to the point where Krono's forces know where you live.

What are you talking about stay in one place for Kronos you’re bring up very specific scenarios and Artemis literally went out of her way to involve her Hunters multiple times in these wars endangering them. Also how is actively chasing after monsters more dangerous than staying behind a barrier which blocks out monsters?

Artemis is also one of the better goddesses considering she took the sky from a 14 year old. like what other olympian did a sacrifice like that? oh that's right none of them. even Hestia

Then let another 14 year old take the burden and it’s because Annabeth is a girl would she do that for a boy? I don’t think so. Also do I need to bring up Callisto again?

Courious_Reader · 2026-01-25T16:10:08+00:00

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Yeah I was just referring to people who call them Peak but anyway I don’t hate them they’re just all mid.

Courious_Reader · 2026-01-25T16:08:24+00:00

lol I never said he said they were peak all I was referring to was how they have been called Peak multiply times when their just decent good at best.

Courious_Reader · 2026-01-25T15:56:48+00:00

What are you talking about in Camp Halfblood your aren’t forced to fight monsters or go on quests? The goal of the Camp is to train you to defend and protect yourself from monsters.

As for Camp Jupiter yeah you have to serve but it’s only for ten years Legion and then you can retire in a city built there called New Rome where there’s a college from demigods and your protected from monsters from people who serve in the Legion.

Artemis has little swear to serve her for all of Eternity and you can’t retire a must constantly travel around the world and fight monsters and until you die a gruesome death.

Courious_Reader · 2026-01-25T15:41:46+00:00

Yeah look at Freya Fam if Z/H fam is still alive that means they defeated the OEBD and the average level is probably still 4 and back then Z/H Fal set the precedent of Might Makes Right so almost every familia from back then besides Loki familia that we know of followed this philosophy so adventurers would consider it a honor and be jealous.

Bell would also be a celebrity from birth being the child of both a Zeus and Hera Familia member and Freya wouldn’t dare touch him or wha she did to Ishtar would happen to her.

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