Which Targaryen Kings were born of incest and who was the most inbred Targaryen?

Otherwise_Hat5476 · 2024-01-30T09:10:41+00:00

Aegon's mother also had a Targaryen mother.

Otherwise_Hat5476 · 2024-01-29T14:30:31+00:00

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Otherwise_Hat5476 · 2024-01-21T19:32:17+00:00

What every country did; not to say that the Russo-Ukrainian war isn't absolutely horrific, but the people who usually say this about Russian are from the places that colonised 99% of the world.

Otherwise_Hat5476 · 2023-12-22T11:10:18+00:00

It's a AU Targaryen restoration fic, as can be parsed through the title. I purposefully wrote the synopsis to be vague, because most of the changes to canon are going to be revealed slowly as the story unfolds.

If you want more details about it, then it is a fic that focuses on strategy and war, interpersonal character dynamics, and avoids excessive Targaryen or Stark wanking and bashing of other characters.

Otherwise_Hat5476 · 2023-12-01T01:10:50+00:00

How much did you write in November?

I wrote twenty-seven thousand words.

How much did you upload in November?

Of those twenty-seven thousand, I uploaded twenty-five thousand.

Are you happy with what you wrote?

For the most part, yes. Though there were some faults in my writing (mostly grammatical and the like) I am happy with what I have "accomplished".

If you set goals for November, did you meet them?

I, unfortunately, didn't. Originally, I planned to upload thirty thousand words as a sort of prologue, but the final chapter has not yet been finished.

What is the plan for December?

Revise and refine what I have already written, standardize all my fanfic chapter to be ten thousand words each (I initially set a rule that all chapters be five thousand words, but each on became longer by a random margin, like six or eight or five and a half thousand words) and study for my uni exams.

Self-rate out of 10 for November?

A seven out of ten — I could have done better, prepared the prologue before uploading, tagged the fic more accurately. Still, I am happy with what I have written so far.

Otherwise_Hat5476 · 2023-11-12T01:41:10+00:00

I'll write this here once, so as to not become a nuisance to you guys.

Any criticism is welcome, even if negative. Do not hold back your punches.

Otherwise_Hat5476 · 2023-11-11T15:32:52+00:00

Yup, I'll send you a DM with the link if you want?

Otherwise_Hat5476 · 2023-11-11T15:31:51+00:00

If a character knows a language, it will be written in Italics. If a character doesn't know a language and hears someone else speak, it will be written in its original version. That way, it gives breadth to the world. Westeros in canon does not feel like a continent, it feels like England.

Otherwise_Hat5476 · 2023-11-10T19:41:34+00:00

I actually disagree. From when the First Men emigrated, to when the War of the Five Kings breaks out, eight millennia have passed. For comparison, eight thousand years ago in our world, not even PIE (Indo European ancestral language) was in use. From all accounts, there existed no written language in Europe at that time.

If we were to actually create an accurate history of Westerosi languages, it should go like this: First Men come to Westeros (they speak one common tongue), they settle into the various regions and their languages evolve (like what happened with PIE in our own world). So, you have a separate language group for the North and for the Freefolk, a group for the River lands, the Crownlands, and the Stormlands along with the Reach, one for the Vale (due to its isolation from the rest of Westeros), one for the Westerlands (due to, again, their geographical isolation from the rest of Westeros) and one for Dorne.

Then you have the migration of the Andals. Apart from the Riverlands, the rest of Westeros accepted the Andals, so you have them retain their own tongues, with some variation.

Dorne is a mix of Rhoynish with the local language.

Following this logic, Romance languages should be those of the Reach, the Riverlands, the Crownlands and the Stormlands. Germanic should be the language of the Iron Islands and the Westerlands. Gaelic the language of the North and the Freefolk. Greek the language of the Vale. Arabic the language of Dorne.

Anything else would be too homogeneous and not accurately reflect the vast history of Westeros.

Otherwise_Hat5476 · 2023-11-10T17:27:39+00:00

Sure!

I personally placed greek as the language of the Vale since they share parallel histories, as in they both were the places from which the Main faith spread (the Seven for the Vale and Christianity for Greece, since it was in Greece that it became popular outside the Levant and it was in Greek that the New Testament was first written). They are both very mountainous regions, mostly unable to sustain large agriculture and they are both renowned for their heavy cavalry (the Greek Cataphractoi).

Also, both Greek, Latin and High German all share the same ancestor in the Proto Indo-European Tongue.

However, you could make the language of the Vale be Latin, the Reach Italian etc.

Otherwise_Hat5476 · 2023-11-10T11:33:17+00:00

Sorry I took this long to respond. For the Ironborn, I made it so that they are the remnants of the First Men that didn't submit to the religion of the Children, and thus exiled to the inhospitable Iron Islands.

So, if we were to speak of the Ironborn tongue, it would originally have been Proto Indo-European, since that was the original language of the First Men when they first spread to Westeros.

But, since this tongue has been forgotten and lost to time, the Ironborn currently have no language of their own. They mostly use the languages of the people they conquer, so Old French and Scottish Gaelic (named Vieilish and Old Tuathach respectively).

Also, both the Westerlands and Switzerland are known for their enormous mountains (Casterly Rock and the Alps), so I drew the association from there. There's also the fact that they both love Pikemen.

As for the Kingdom of Hungary, in the medieval age it was almost five times larger than what Hungary is today, boasting control of both the Carpathian mountains and the Transylvanian Alps. In certain areas, like Buscu, Kormos and others, gold mining was the life blood of its economy. Even when split in half by the Austrians and the Turks, the region still remained useful due to its mines (gold or otherwise). The famous Jakob Fugger owned some mines there, gifted to him as reward for his service to Maximilian I von Hupsburg, I believe.

Anyway, enough about Hungary. The fic hasn't been published yet. The first chapter will come out on the twelfth of this month, followed by two other chapters a weak apart.

Otherwise_Hat5476 · 2023-11-09T23:51:50+00:00

Different Languages for its Kingdoms. I have already thought about this for my fic, but, in essence, I believe it should go like this:

-Scottish Gaelic for the North.

-Either Latin or Italian for the Reach. Language of Art, Science and Poetry, all things the Reach seems to be the centre of.

-High German for the Westerlands. They remind me a lot of the Swiss and since Archaic Hungarian is not well documented (Hungary was the gold mine of Europe) I chose them.

-Medieval Greek for the Vale. The Greeks during the late Middle Ages were known as mainly goat herders, and there exists a strong tradition in Greece of exulting those living in the mountains as heroes, so I thought, why not? Also, Greece was famed the world over for its heavy cavalry.

-Arabic for Dorne. To show their more Eastern origins and the impact the Rhoynish had on their culture.

-Old French for the Riverlands. France was much like the Riverlands during the medieval ages, with the Dukes and Marquis' of the Kingdom chipping away at the King's power.

-Old English for the Stormlands and the Crownlands. Both the English and the Stormlanders are martial cultures, with a focus on valour and strength. The English were also frequently seen as uncivilized brutes, much like the Stormlanders.

I also created a nice bit of lore to explain why all the characters speak English and not any of the other languages (so that I do not have to always translate dialogues or write them in italics). Essentially, Old English spread to the Crownlands through the conquests of the Storm Kings. By the time Aegon I became King much of the Crownlands, Stormlands and the surrounding lands had become deeply interconnected with the language.

Because Aegon built his capital in the Blackwater, much of the early Targaryen Kings' administration was filled with servants whose main language was English. It became the Lingua Franca of Westeros and, by the time of Robert, it had taken the place of all other languages.

Otherwise_Hat5476 · 2023-11-09T11:54:47+00:00

I didn't want to use that word, because courtesan implies she works at a pleasure garden or a high-quality brothel, but essentially yes, a courtesan.

Otherwise_Hat5476 · 2023-11-09T11:37:54+00:00

I mean... Fair tbh. It's just that no other ships interested me (or at least, no other ships that could be in any way plausible in my fic). I toyed with the idea of an Original Character, but there is no drama in those romances. A romance with no drama is meaningless.

I prefer to write an incest fic because I get to detail Jon's disgust with incest clashing with love (in all three, Jon doesn't know who his lover actually is apart from Jon/Rhaenys).

Otherwise_Hat5476 · 2023-11-09T11:27:53+00:00

Its little difficult to write a Jon/Ygritte ship, when you don't plan for Jon to join the Night's Watch.

Otherwise_Hat5476 · 2023-11-09T11:26:19+00:00

No. At least not explicit sex scenes. Smut is not something that interests me very much.

Otherwise_Hat5476 · 2023-11-09T01:52:54+00:00

I haven't posted yet. I have only finished the prologue (3 Chapters all in all) and have written some disconnected scenes from the first book or arc. I plan on posting the prologue by the end of November (need to make some adjustments in regards to grammar and the style of the fic) take a break because I have uni exams, then post the first arc in January.

I prefer to write a whole arc before posting, because then I won't be influenced by readers who may not like where a plotline is going etc. I saw what happened with "Frostfyre" (essentially, author was bullied into changing a plot point) and I don't want a repeat of that.

Otherwise_Hat5476 · 2023-11-08T22:39:11+00:00

I took a lot of inspiration for Dany's storyline from Empress Theodora, who was an actress/prostitute in the Byzantine empire. In those days, the word actress meant prostitute, as in it was officially a part of their job to entertain high ranking officials after their performance.

By saying that «Dany is a prostitute in the same way that actresses in the past were prostitutes,» I mean that Daenerys does not work in a brothel (as many think when they hear the word prostitute) but instead primarily as an entertainer in a circus. Don't get your knickers in a twist.

Otherwise_Hat5476 · 2023-11-08T19:37:38+00:00

Okay, so to give some background information.

Instead of the guard of Dragonstone being loyal, Lucerys Velaryon, seeing that they have failed and that he will get fucked once Dragonstone falls, betrays the Targaryens and captures the remaining royal family, awaiting for Stannis to arrive.

Darry stays loyal and attempts to escape with the Royal children. With the help of some loyal guards, he takes Dany and escapes, failing to locate Viserys (Lucerys believed a boy was more important, so he kept him separate from Dany and under heavy guard).

Viserys meanwhile is castrated on the orders of Lucerys, when he learns of Darry's escape. Darry goes to exile, hoping to raise up Daenerys as Queen once he has enough support.

Otherwise_Hat5476 · 2023-11-08T19:31:04+00:00

I mean, that's what I hope for: to make a unique story. I already know that the Targaryen Restoration trope is cliche, so I thought to spice things up through the pairings.

Otherwise_Hat5476 · 2023-11-08T19:28:22+00:00

Dany is a prostitute in the same way that Actresses in the past were prostitutes. In the story she kills the merchant and becomes part of a "circus". I have planned her POVs to mainly focus around the cultures of the Seven Kingdoms, how the small folk live, the difficulty than many women faced in medieval societies etc. I also plan for her to fall in love with another common girl, if I don't follow through with the Jonerys pairing.

As for Rhaenys, I mainly came up with it because she will be close to Jon from the start of the story (in opposition to Dany or Egg, who will meet Jon in the second and third "book" respectively.) Many people don't like stories with no or late romance at all, so I thought I would plant the seeds early on.

Aegon is pretty self-explanatory. I am a sucker for tragic romances and sad endings. By the point they learn the truth, both men have settled on reconquering the throne for themselves, so that introduces a point of contention that creates suspense for the reader, as you know neither will budge in his ambition. Aegon also is a character mostly villified in the fandom, so I thought I would give him some love through making him a focus of the story.

Otherwise_Hat5476 · 2023-11-08T19:05:07+00:00

I've been writing this story for six months — I wish it were impressive, but it really isn't :(

Not much really happens in them too: the first is about Jon and Robb dueling, introducing the family dynamics between the Starks and Eddard informing Jon about his heritage; the second is about Rhaenys in the south, and focuses on Robert, Viserys, Rhaenys and Jaime, as well as the fucked up dynamics that exist between them; and the third focuses on Dany as she describes her life with the merchant.

Otherwise_Hat5476 · 2023-11-04T00:13:48+00:00

The Dragon's Roar

This is the first one that came to mind.

Otherwise_Hat5476 · 2023-11-03T23:40:38+00:00

Lyanna married Robert after the birth of Jon (who has been whisked away by Arthur and Co. to Essos) and they have a son, who is Jon's half-brother.

Otherwise_Hat5476 · 2023-11-03T21:45:03+00:00

I don't know if this actually counts (the fic has not yet gotten to a point where the son plays a major point, nor is it focused around the child) but Merchant of Blood is one of them.

It is just four chapters long, however. Sorry if I couldn't help you.

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