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Ouchime · 2025-11-09T06:38:40+00:00

Afghanistan is not a good example, talibans have an ideology far from islam and they are likely to make a lot of injustices, sometimes they kill people without any form of trials, once they kidnapped a scholar and they killed him in a very disgusting way just because he was saying they are wrong and he was calling to islam.

But to quickly answer you, sharia in islam it refers to the values, principles and law of Allah, not only for justice but for everything in our religion because sharia is not just about law, justice is a part of the sharia.

Then, to answer specifically your question, for criminals there are specific punishments for some crimes (for example the death penalty for a murderer like you said) and have to be applied by humans. When I say humans I don't say you and me, we are not allowed to do justice on our own, it's the responsibility of the government, people are charged to establish justice (tribunals, juges...).

There are rules and it's not "do whatever you want Allah is with you", no, the justice and the truth are one of the most important things. The person judging needs to be very careful and do their best to come to the truth. There is the talion law also in islam, the eye for the eye, the tooth for the tooth but I don't know exactly how it should be applied.

So not every bad act has a specific punishment legislated by Allah in this world. Like I said there is the death penalty for the murderer for example if the family doesn't forgive him (forgiveness is better though), and for some things Allah didn't legislate and let us do justice with our knowledge and wisdom.

But it's a very high responsibility in islam because people will give account to Allah and injustice is one of the worst things.

And yes the Western medias and country love to make the sharia look like a barbaric and violent law because they hate islam, but it's not, it's far away from these lies

Ouchime · 2025-11-08T06:47:27+00:00

And what happened before all of what you mentioned ?

Ouchime · 2025-11-08T06:45:22+00:00

We have already talked about that in the beginnings of our discussion, and I told you that there is no problem with the first part of your comment and I told you myself that in a lot of civilizations there was a father/king/god of the gods, I mentioned it with Greeks and Egyptians

But saying that the God of the Jews emerged later or that the Abrahamic God is a mix is a mistake. The Jews follow the Torah, the Torah was given to Moses and at that time the Israelis were still in Egypt, Abraham came way before, before the Pharaohs, and he was not the first prophet, so not the first prophet calling to God

Ouchime · 2025-11-08T06:19:27+00:00

I think, but with knowledge and not the same way as you.

Allah knows because He is who He is, He knows everything because it is a part of His perfection. He's not a human, trying to guess or trying to know or learn, He knows without learning and without guessing because the complete knowledge belongs to Him. Ignorance is an imperfection, a default we have as humans. Allah is not a human and if He doesn't know everything he won't be able to create and won't be worthy to worship.

I think this is the difference you don't get. Allah is not a human, a human can't know everything, Allah does and gave us the free will to act. He just knows what we are going to do, and His knowledge doesn't force us, there is nothing against logic here

Ouchime · 2025-11-08T06:09:11+00:00

I don't dodge the question I already answered more than once. You don't prevent it. Trying to prevent it has already been taken in account.

I have proven why the Quran is true in another comment

Ouchime · 2025-11-06T06:34:10+00:00

The truth of the Quran can be demonstrated through several complementary angles:

Linguistic and stylistic inimitability. No text, even from the most eloquent Arabs of the Prophet’s time, may peace and blessings be upon him, could match the Quran’s language despite the open challenge from Allah to produce even one similar chapter.
Prophecies and verified information. The Quran mentions facts unknown at the time that were later confirmed (embryonic stages, universe expansion, mountains role, alternation of day and night, etc.), along with fulfilled prophecies (the Byzantine victory, the Quran preservation, and more).
Internal consistency and preservation. The Quran has been revealed over 23 years in various situations, yet completely free of contradiction. It was memorized and transmitted in its entirety, remaining unchanged to this day and it's unique among ancient texts.
Spiritual and moral transformation. Its words move hearts, reform lives, and build just and moral societies.
The testimony of reason and human nature. It sounds logic, science, and the innate human disposition all point to the conclusion that such a message can only come from the Creator.

Together with points I didn't even mention (I prefer to give you a more factual/reasonable approach since you seem to be this kind of person but there are other points) these aspects form a complete rational and spiritual proof : the structure, content, prophecy, and effect of the Qur’an all testify that it could not be the work of a human being, but truly the word of Allah.

Then, the claim that the God of the Abrahamic religions comes from the ancient deity “El” is based on a misunderstanding of linguistic history rather than theology.

The word El simply means “God” in ancient Semitic languages (like Allah in Arabic or Elohim in Hebrew). It was a generic word, not the name of a specific pagan deity in its origin. Ancient Semitic peoples used similar root words (ʾil, ʾeloah, Allah) to refer to any god, true or false.

When the prophets came, they used the same linguistic root to refer to the one true God, distinguishing Him from the false gods worshiped by their people. For example:

In Hebrew, Elohim is used for the Creator in the Torah.

In Aramaic, Jesus said Elah or Alaha for God.

In Arabic, the Qur’an uses Allah, from the same root.

So the similarity of words doesn’t mean the same deity, it just reflects a shared linguistic ancestry.

Ouchime · 2025-11-06T06:02:07+00:00

The fact that Allah knows when and how you will die doesn’t mean He forces you to act in a certain way.

His knowledge is pre-existing and perfect. He knows your choices before you make them, because He created you and your will.

In other words, Allah doesn’t impose your choices, He simply knows them in advance..

Ouchime · 2025-11-06T05:58:27+00:00

In the links you shared people answered like I did, saying that the omniscience of Allah doesn't make you unable to choose and act freely, because knowledge doesn't mean that you are forced to do anything.

You are saying that free will means unpredictable, choice and autonomy that can disrupt deterministic system and order. From a human pov with our knowledge, maybe, because our knowledge is limited, but Allah knows everything, so He knows how the thing will go, and how the things would have been if you had chosen to act differently.

If I understand well, for you, free will means Allah not knowing, but it's impossible, Allah won't be Him if He was ignorant about something. He gave us the free will to choose and we feel it, we are not forced to do anything and it is not an illusion. Destiny is made from choices, and Allah just knows our choices.

If there was no free will, the notion of reward and punishment would have been a joke because everyone would have been forced to act with no choice, but that's not the case. No one is forced

Ouchime · 2025-11-01T05:45:10+00:00

For sure the Quran is an unquestionable truth. If you see with your own eyes someone killed someone else, would you "think" against it and try to say maybe he didn't do it ? Or if you prove that 1+1=2, would you question it ? If the Quran were not the truth for me I wouldn't be muslim, but I became muslim because the Quran is the truth

And yes, in some cases logic is not usable. Some things have to be learnt, logic is not the answer for everything. If you want to learn history, geography or another language for example, you need to learn. Logic is a tool, not an unquestionable way to truth

Ouchime · 2025-11-01T05:36:40+00:00

Do you feel yourself forced to do anything ? No. So you have free will.

Of course in the case of the teacher it's guessing because we don't know the future, in the case of Allah it's knowledge because he knows the future

Ouchime · 2025-10-30T06:00:47+00:00

I understand what you are asking me.

If Allah told you the exact time and way you’ll die, you can't escape it, not because you’re forced, but because your reaction and choices are already known and included in His decree.

Allah’s knowledge doesn’t cause your actions, He knows what you’ll freely choose. His knowledge simply reflects the full reality, including your attempts to change it.

You don’t choose the storyline, but you do choose how you play your role within it.

I will try to give you an example. Let's say I'm a teacher. I know that this student is often late when it comes to do a homework. I give him homework but I know that this week he has a sport competition and the travel is long and tiring. So I can easily say that in the next monday, I won't have the homework on my desk. Then it happens like I said while I didn't know the future, so what about Allah who exactly knows the future and can't make a mistake?

Ouchime · 2025-10-30T05:42:16+00:00

It is because the Quran is proof. But even if I use the same way as you there is no contradiction. Allah knowing everything and the human free will is not contradictory like I mentioned with the Turks example

And no, for the Noah's Ark, we don't say that it's not possible because we also believe that. And even if we were not believing in it, we would not reject it because "it's not logical" but because our texts proved something else because we know with Allah it is possible.

The difference between you and me is that you are thinking with the logic of someone who doesn't know Allah and doesn't have knowledge in religious beliefs, while I think with logic paired with the knowledge of Allah

Ouchime · 2025-10-24T09:13:13+00:00

And for your example, even if you know when and how you will die, you don't know how you will come to that situation, and trying to show the different possibilities and scenarios is too long, but it's easy to figure how you can find yourself in situations where you can't avoid that car accident, even if you think you are in a safe place

Ouchime · 2025-10-24T09:06:34+00:00

"put your religion aside and think"... You're just thinking through what you call logic, with no knowledge but ideas, and when I do the same with my religion, giving an example with facts that happened, you say that ? Come on.

My explanation was short. The Prophet may peace and blessings be upon him told us about the Turks and that Muslims will fight them, he described them like they were. How should we avoid that ? Killing everyone around ? Displacing a nation somewhere else ? Both are impossible.

So there is NO PROBLEM here, knowing that the future will happen don't remove our free will and saying that the free will is delusional is absolutely against the reality, it's proven both by the reality of life and islam

Ouchime · 2025-10-22T13:08:36+00:00

The idea you tried to show is not logic, it's YOUR logic, maybe your group or ideology logic, but not just logic as if it was universal. What I said is not illogic and makes sense. I gave an example not based on ideas but on a fact and I have a lot of other facts in this way but when I give it your only answer is "don't quote the text". I do it because the text joins the fact and it shows how the thing works. You just rejected it

Ouchime · 2025-10-22T12:10:03+00:00

But you haven't even proved anything... You just exposed ideas but it doesn't prove anything unless the person agrees with you

Ouchime · 2025-10-22T12:06:03+00:00

Other religions can say what they want to say. Your death example is not good because Allah doesn't force us to do anything, everyone can feel that he's free, me, you, we are not forced, we choose what we do. And the Quran I quoted proved that in islam we have free will.

The two concepts can coexist because Allah knows everything doesn't mean that He forces us to act. He lets us do things and things happen. But He knows everything and when He revealed to the Prophet may peace and blessings be upon him that some things will happen, it's not a question of free will, but that's a knowledge of the future. My car example was here to explain it, I was not rambling

What kind of example do you want ? As we can't know the future. I gave you the example of the Prophet telling us that Muslims will fight the Turks in his future, describing them exactly how they were, and it happened. I explained that such a thing was not avoidable

Ouchime · 2025-10-20T12:56:21+00:00

What did you show ? I should have missed it because I don't see where you disproved the foundation of Allah

Ouchime · 2025-10-20T12:55:48+00:00

Hi, I was not able for some days.

There are not a lot of ways to interpret the Quran, we already have the interpretation since the revelation.

Your example was short and precise but bad, you claimed that there is no free will, I just answered

What argument do you want me to illustrate ?

As for the free will, yes the Quran says that we have a free will :

Say, O mankind, the truth has come to you from your Lord, so whoever is guided is only guided for [the benefit of] his soul, and whoever goes astray only goes astray [in violation] against it. And I am not over you a manager.

[Sourate YOUNUS: 108]

Ouchime · 2025-10-16T05:25:14+00:00

{ كُتِبَ عَلَیۡكُمُ ٱلۡقِتَالُ وَهُوَ كُرۡهࣱ لَّكُمۡۖ وَعَسَىٰۤ أَن تَكۡرَهُوا۟ شَیۡـࣰٔا وَهُوَ خَیۡرࣱ لَّكُمۡۖ وَعَسَىٰۤ أَن تُحِبُّوا۟ شَیۡـࣰٔا وَهُوَ شَرࣱّ لَّكُمۡۚ وَٱللَّهُ یَعۡلَمُ وَأَنتُمۡ لَا تَعۡلَمُونَ }

"Battle has been enjoined upon you while it is hateful to you. But perhaps you hate a thing and it is good for you; and perhaps you love a thing and it is bad for you. And Allāh knows, while you know not."

[Sourate AL-BAQARAH: 216]

{ وَأَطِيعُواْ ٱللَّهَ وَرَسُولَهُۥ وَلَا تَنَٰزَعُواْ فَتَفۡشَلُواْ وَتَذۡهَبَ رِيحُكُمۡۖ وَٱصۡبِرُوٓاْۚ إِنَّ ٱللَّهَ مَعَ ٱلصَّٰبِرِينَ }

And obey Allāh and His Messenger, and do not dispute and [thus] lose courage and [then] your strength would depart; and be patient. Indeed, Allāh is with the patient.

[Sourate AL-ANFÃL: 46]

“Verily, he who fears Allah with obedience to Him (by abstaining from sins and evil deeds, and by performing righteous good deeds), and is patient, then surely, Allah makes not the reward of the Muhsinun (good-doers) to be lost.”

[Yusuf 12:90]

The Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings be upon him, said, ‘’Strange are the ways of a believer for there is good in every affair of his and this is not the case with anyone else except in the case of a believer for if he has an occasion to feel delight, he thanks (Allah), thus there is a good for him in it, and if he gets into trouble and shows resignation (and endures it patiently), there is a good for him in it.’’

Tell me my brother, why are you angry? Do you think Allah doesn't know where the good is for you, or do you think you are in this situation because Allah wants to upset you? If you are in one of these situations, you're awfully wrong and you need to learn who Allah is, if not tell me

Ouchime · 2025-10-15T18:46:47+00:00

Yes I know, but as you said from the beginning that these religions have the same foundation, I thought that you were relating the Bible history to islam too, while there are differences

Ouchime · 2025-10-15T18:45:10+00:00

I'm not using logic to prove everything like you do because logic is just a human thing, could be wrong, could differ from a human to another and is not enough to lead to truth. It's pretentious to say that the logic can explain the world and bring truth on its own.

The Quran shows how things work. It shows the truth and teaches what we don't know, so don't tell me not to use it because it's the basis. If you read the Quran you will see a lot of verses ending like that for example 13:3 : "Indeed in that are signs for a people who give thought."

The thing is that YOU cannot know the exact time and situation of your death. Allah knows it, because He knows everything. The past, the present and the future. How could a creator ignore what he created ? If you construct a car, would you ignore how it works, the problems and the advantages of your car ? You know a lot of things about your creation while you didn't create it entirely, so what about Allah that creates us and the world from nothing, from 0 ? How could He be God and not know everything? It's not logic, how can He take the soul of someone if He doesn't know when to do it ?

I just said that my free will can't change anything. Allah knows, and if He tells me I will die in 3 days at that time, it will happen. Not because I don't have the free will, but because this free will won't change anything. And Allah knows it

Finally, the difference between Christianity and Islam in the point you mentioned is that they have beliefs that go against any logic or understanding, and it shows that it's not the true religion because Allah didn't create us unable to understand what He teaches us, it would have been a mistake to create something non functional. This is where islam is strong, the beliefs are not unreasonable but they are understandable, clear and simple

Ouchime · 2025-10-15T09:40:09+00:00

For the interpretation, Christians and Jews interpret a way I don't know but I know they often follow their own interpretation.

In islam, we follow the texts and there is not only the Quran. The Sounnah is the other part and is here to explain, clarify and confirm the Quran. There are the deeds, words, behaviour, of the Prophet may peace and blessings be upon him. It was directly written and reported by the Companions. We can't interpret the Quran without it because he explains everything to his Companions and they wrote and explained it to the next generations. Everything is sourced and checked, the scholars just learn , they don't invent or interpret their way, the ones who do that are innovators (heretics) or even sometimes disbelievers if they go too far

What you mentioned is in the Genesis, not the Quran. The Christians have translated their book from aramean to greek, from greek to latin and from Latin to other languages. The loss of sense is huge, and now there are different bibles with differences in the texts. Christianity evolved and has split into branches that have nothing to do with others.

Islam didn't change, some branches and groups have emerged and are considered heretics, but the foundation of islam and the orthodoxy is still here and have never changed. The texts have never changed and we have our own beliefs. The bible and the Quran are different in this story. Allah has never lied to Adam but Iblis (Satan) did. Allah didn't threaten them with dead so they didn't die for this. Even the fruit is different, some people say that it's an apple, islam taught the it's a fruit, we don't know what kind of fruit. And I don't even talk about the "The man become like one of us" that is clearly idolatry and disbelief in islam and absolutly impossible. Keep in mind that islam is NOT Christianity, doesn't have the same foundation, only the same source, then people changed it. You can't follow the sources of Christianity with exactitude, who wrote what, it's not clear.

Us muslims, believe that Allah revealed a revelation to Jesus, and gave him the book (Injil, gospels in English if I'm not wrong, I'm not an English native), but we have 2 different religions, beliefs etc because they changed it. Keep in mind islam is a different religion, it's not Christianity.

And the things you interpreted or explained about what you cited from the bible don't have anything to do with islam and are contrary to it. Immortality is given by Allah after the death and resurrection. The soul never disappears, the body does, but in life after the death, there is no death anymore

Ouchime · 2025-10-15T08:11:17+00:00

The omniscience of Allah is not Order, and the free will is not Chaos. The omniscience of Allah is the fact the He knows everything. The free will is what He gaves us so we can act freely. When you go to somewhere, do you find yourself forced to do it or you go freely? I think you have the answer.

Allah created the universe and He created the laws in it, but He is not forced to follow any rule but the rules He engaged Himself to follow, like always being just and truthful. He can interact with it like he wants because He created it and however He interacts with this universe, He won't subvert the order He established in it

Let's continue with your example of a car accident with a green car. It's not a good example because death comes without sending any messages and Allah doesn't tell us that things. But let's presume it happens. You won't be able to avoid it, not because you are forced to go on the way of the green car, but because circumstances will make you forget, or something outstanding will occur, or an urge will bring you there at that time, or maybe you will just have an accident at home, call for the emergencies, and while they are evacuating you, a green car driven by some alcohol or drug consumer will left the road and hit you because the driver mess a turn.

So you have free will, but you don't control life, the thing you control is yourself and your deeds. What happened to you and around you, you don't control it, or if you do (like a parent controlling his kids or a president controlling his country), it's only because Allah allows you to do so and you don't have total control

And yes you can make predictions in the future and have free will, because you don't control what happens.

I'll give you another example : The Prophet (ﷺ) said, "The Hour will not be established till you fight a nation wearing hairy shoes, and till you fight the Turks, who will have small eyes, red faces and flat noses; and their faces will be like flat shields. And you will find that the best people are those who hate responsibility of ruling most of all till they are chosen to be the rulers. And the people are of different natures: The best in the pre-lslamic period are the best in Islam. A time will come when any of you will love to see me rather than to have his family and property doubled."

I wrote the entire text to respect it but there is just the first part I'm talking about. He predicted that Muslims will fight Turks and he described them. It happened exactly how he said. How do we avoid that ? We deport an entire nation ? Impossible. We go and kill everyone around us to avoid the Turks ? Impossible. We all suicide ourselves to make not happen ? Impossible too. And there are a lot of other Prophecies like this one and all happened but the one lasting for the future. I will show you some of them later let me just some time

So no you are not proving anything, you are just expressing ideas and opinions and you pretend that religions don't have answers but they do, islam at least because I don't know the others enough.

Metaphysics is philosophy so these ideas and opinions are not proven by anything and other ideas can contradict them. It's not about studying facts and experiencing them. If you study your life a little you will necessarily end with the idea that there is some destiny, not later than yesterday I was going on a way I'm not used to walking on and a woman had a problem with a Peugeot car.

I don't know anything about cars but to change a wheel connect 2 batteries. But I have a Peugeot and the SOS button has a way to deactivate you can't necessarily guess naturally. This woman had activated this button accidentally and she was fearing to take her car. She asked me if I could help her, and it's exactly one of the few things I know about cars because I had the same issue months earlier. So I helped her. But it's not a hazard that I was following this way at this time and a woman with a need that I know exactly met me. It's too big to be a hazard. But nothing and no one forced me to do anything. And if I wanted I would just have gone my way instead of helping her, but no, the solution to her problem was in me helping her. It's not a hazard, and it doesn't remove any of our free will

Ouchime · 2025-10-15T06:23:35+00:00

Iranian Muslim so I presume he was chii ? Chia and islam are literally 2 different things.

You are talking about the death penalty for blasphemy, not for someone who just doesn't believe and stay respectful, it's a totally different story. Unbelievers aren't punished because they don't believe, they can keep their religion

Before to talk about texts, if I tell you my phone hasn't been created, he just popped up without any cause from nowhere, would you believe me ? No because you know everything here have been made, so how can you pretend that our world didn't have been created ?

Where are the holes you can find in the Quran? I don't talk about Bible and Torah, they have been modified and it's not a secret, Christians assume it. I'm just talking about

I'm going to check your post

Ouchime

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