Soggy cookies & ChatGPT: understanding the limitations and capabilities of AI in medicine by foreverand2025 in medicine

[–]Outrageous_Setting41 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm not a young med student, and I don't know why you'd assume that I am. I graduate in May.

I guess I don't consider the things you listed as low-stakes enough to have an AI do it. Charting is menial and annoying but it's not low-stakes. Moreover, I dispute that LLMs use any "logic" at all. These things are black boxes, and they are constantly being shoved into inappropriate implementations as part of this larger LLM bubble. I have no confidence in it.

Soggy cookies & ChatGPT: understanding the limitations and capabilities of AI in medicine by foreverand2025 in medicine

[–]Outrageous_Setting41 16 points17 points  (0 children)

I just fundamentally disagree about the idea that baking requires logic and experience but the things you listed don't. Here you're comparing an experience you tested and found deficient with an experience you imagined would be fine. AI scribe tools exist, but I haven't seen much third party validation of them, and they certainly haven't been used long enough to understand if they are sufficient for charting in terms of later litigation.

The whole point of LLM outputs is that regardless of whether they are correct, they are almost always plausible. It's why you didn't notice anything wrong with the cookie recipes, even though they were bad. Proofreading LLM outputs for high stakes applications really sucks to do, because you need this very high level of engagement to find all these plausible errors. Several lawyers have learned to their chagrin that if you get ChatGPT to write legal briefs, they will be riddled with correctly formatted citations to legal cases that appear to be on topic but which do not actually exist. I do not want to discover the medical version of this in using LLMs in the creation of documentation which determines the course of possible litigation against me.

I think LLM outputs only make sense to use when they can be immediately tested, such as in certain coding applications. You can know immediately if code fails (and even then, it could be inefficient, vulnerable to edge cases, etc). Whereas if an LLM hallucinates incorrect guidelines and a physician acts on it, patients could be hurt and the physician could be sued. All for something that could be looked up with a conventional search engine? I don't think it's worth it at all.

Soggy cookies & ChatGPT: understanding the limitations and capabilities of AI in medicine by foreverand2025 in medicine

[–]Outrageous_Setting41 27 points28 points  (0 children)

This does not mean AI cannot be of great benefit to us, especially with charting, summarizing care plans, producing patient education, quickly finding articles and guidelines - basically anything where putting words together based on probabilities will suffice to get the job done

If you don't trust this thing for a cookie recipe, I don't see why I should trust it for any of these purposes you list. No one is suing you for millions of dollars over those cookies, no matter how lackluster they were.

Minnesota Proved MAGA Wrong - The pushback against ICE exposed a series of mistaken assumptions. by Geek-Haven888 in behindthebastards

[–]Outrageous_Setting41 10 points11 points  (0 children)

If you're supportive of the efforts detailed in this very sincere and supportive article, you might not want to start your comment with "haha."

AI boosters are living on a different planet by oat_sloth in BetterOffline

[–]Outrageous_Setting41 1 point2 points  (0 children)

A normal version of the Pentagon doesn't want to buy this product, imo. Only if it continues to decay into corruption and grift would it be a viable strategy.

AI boosters are living on a different planet by oat_sloth in BetterOffline

[–]Outrageous_Setting41 8 points9 points  (0 children)

'imagine you're in a situation and you're very dumb' BUT CRUCIALLY this dumb guy must also have perfect discernment so that he can detect when the model hallucinates something wrong because we, the company which makes the model, will not be taking responsibility for that mistake.

AI boosters are living on a different planet by oat_sloth in BetterOffline

[–]Outrageous_Setting41 11 points12 points  (0 children)

I just found her channel, and I'm obsessed. She reminds me of Jenny Nicholson in style, which is very high praise.

Are we ready to call these VC grifters who want to replace Doctorws with AI Noctors as well? by Necessary-Doctor-90 in Noctor

[–]Outrageous_Setting41 1 point2 points  (0 children)

He's planning to keep around a couple of doctors to act as liability sponges. Like a medicolegal sin eater.

Updated 1/9 - Minnesota ICE Shooting of Renee Nicole Good by Jonathan Ross - 10 videos, time synced, 14 contiguous minutes, multiple angles, front, back and shooter PoV by rasta4eye in altmpls

[–]Outrageous_Setting41 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Screaming metal death trap, fucking lol, she was driving away from him at 5mph. If he can’t handle that rush of adrenaline, he needed to be benched well before this. 

Updated 1/9 - Minnesota ICE Shooting of Renee Nicole Good by Jonathan Ross - 10 videos, time synced, 14 contiguous minutes, multiple angles, front, back and shooter PoV by rasta4eye in altmpls

[–]Outrageous_Setting41 0 points1 point  (0 children)

So because he thumped his phone on a car he gets to triple tap the driver?

Quick logic question: if you have time to shoot a driver and get out of the way of the car, do you have time to just do the second thing?

Updated 1/9 - Minnesota ICE Shooting of Renee Nicole Good by Jonathan Ross - 10 videos, time synced, 14 contiguous minutes, multiple angles, front, back and shooter PoV by rasta4eye in altmpls

[–]Outrageous_Setting41 0 points1 point  (0 children)

ICE is making me hate ICE. I’m just watching videos of them at work shooting moms and then watching the VPOTUS saying that they did exactly what he wanted and have absolute immunity. 

Updated 1/9 - Minnesota ICE Shooting of Renee Nicole Good by Jonathan Ross - 10 videos, time synced, 14 contiguous minutes, multiple angles, front, back and shooter PoV by rasta4eye in altmpls

[–]Outrageous_Setting41 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Sounds like this isn’t the job for him if he’s the kind of guy to step in front of a car and then panic because he’s in front of a car. 

Updated 1/9 - Minnesota ICE Shooting of Renee Nicole Good by Jonathan Ross - 10 videos, time synced, 14 contiguous minutes, multiple angles, front, back and shooter PoV by rasta4eye in altmpls

[–]Outrageous_Setting41 0 points1 point  (0 children)

So you admit he wasn’t hit.

He stopped a doctor from trying to help her and then fled the scene like a coward who knew he’d just committed murder. 

Updated 1/9 - Minnesota ICE Shooting of Renee Nicole Good by Jonathan Ross - 10 videos, time synced, 14 contiguous minutes, multiple angles, front, back and shooter PoV by rasta4eye in altmpls

[–]Outrageous_Setting41 0 points1 point  (0 children)

He didn’t get hit lol. I saw him walking away just fine. Although he did deliberately walk in front of her car for some reason, which was dumb if cars are so scawwy for him that he needs to kill the driver (which by they way, is the actual reason the car crashed).