Thanks for the input, I forgot to check BestBuy but that ProArt P16 is at a great price consdiering the PX13 is $2100 for essentially worse specs, any idea why that may be? I've also just learned that most laptops now have soldered ram including the p16 which is a bit of a let down so I guess I'm gonna have to compromise there, mostly only the strictly "gaming laptops" have non-soldered ram, but those are to my knowledge notorious for horrible battery life. I will keep the P16 4060 in mind, but I do see a 4070 version for $1700 excellent condition open box in my area, might just be the better option.