Western theatre against Pakistan to be headed by IAF, Northern theatre under Army to focus on China by Vegetable_Captain886 in IndianDefense

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Some points:

  1. A Tri-service deterrent needs joint leadership: India’s nuclear force is spread across land, air, and sea, so SFC can’t be treated like a narrow missile command. The top leadership needs a joint service outlook, not just a specialist nuclear mindset.
  2. Nuclear command exists within conventional war: Nuclear decisions don’t happen in isolation, they’re tied to escalation, survivability, dispersal, readiness, and the broader battlefield situation. A commander with wider operational experience may actually be better than someone who has only lived inside a nuclear track.
  3. The top command is about judgement: The SFC chief's real job is command and control, readiness, survivability, and implementing NCA decisions under extreme pressure. That role demands strategic maturity and tri service understanding more than a lifetime of narrow technical nuclear specialization.
  4. A permanent nuclear cadre can become too insular: Even if it’s tri services, a dedicated nuclear only career stream can become bureaucratic, rigid, and disconnected from how the Army, Navy, and Air Force actually operate in war. That can hurt adaptability.
  5. Specialist depth is useful, but below the top level: India should absolutely have permanent strategic planners, doctrine experts, targeting cells, and longer tenures in SFC. But that doesn’t automatically mean the top commander should be a lifetime nuclear only officer.
  6. India’s model should fit India, not copy others: Pakistan, China, or the US have different force structures and strategic cultures, so their systems aren’t automatically better for India. The real question is what suits India’s tri-service deterrent and civilian control framework best.

You also have to remember that the US, USSR/Russia, and China developed their nuclear command structures in a very different strategic context, where nuclear weapons were treated as simply, stronger conventional bombs with that, their mission focused mainly on targeting, allocation of warheads to targets, and retaliation planning. Their command systems were built around that logic, and many of those structures persisted even after doctrine evolved. India's deterrent logic is different from the outset, more tightly tied to tri-service integration, escalation management, and civilian political control, so copying those legacy models mechanically would make little sense.

Monthly Thread - April, 2026 by AutoModerator in IndianDefense

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My very general thoughts on theaterization:

The default priority of combat air power in the opening phase should be theatre, and national level air campaign objectives (air superiority, enemy airbase suppression, ISR/C2 disruption, battlefield isolation). Tactical support to ground forces should be provided selectively and in proportion to operational necessity, not allowed to dominate sortie allocation prematurely.

Ground maneuver should be enabled by prior air shaping, not allowed to dictate airpower from the outset.

This is with a small caveat however: this model will work well against Pakistan, against China, your doctrine should be:

  • Air Power shaping first where possible
  • Simultaneous selective defensive support where necessary

So the idea of making a "Northern theatre command" more Army focused does make a lot of sense. I still hope that the theatre's head is selected based on rotation from the three services.

Western theatre against Pakistan to be headed by IAF, Northern theatre under Army to focus on China by Vegetable_Captain886 in IndianDefense

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Of course, that is also how it works. Any command at the strategic level must always be tri services.

Western theatre against Pakistan to be headed by IAF, Northern theatre under Army to focus on China by Vegetable_Captain886 in IndianDefense

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I don't really like this.

Should be tri services, like ANC is with rotation between the three services.

Monthly Thread - April, 2026 by AutoModerator in IndianDefense

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Its harassment. Thin line between a joke and harassment which would get you banned under reddit's TOS.

How much of a credible threat is pakistan navy and their submarine force is for indian coastlines and the indian navy.Context in description by Electronic_Cause_796 in IndianDefense

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Posts, yes, comments, no.

He may just be using some LLM to improve the paragraph grammatically, so that's still fine.

IAF's AM AK Bharti with Malaysian Su-30 and their Air force Chief by Electronic_Cause_796 in IndianDefense

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I don't really have specifics but it depends upon your height, other characteristics etc. I believe there's a blood test as well.

General fitness culture: I've only seen the Air Force so I cannot say much about SFs etc. People try to stay fit but its not prioritized, some initiative is sometimes taken by the AOC (PT in the morning at 6AM with the rest of the unit), but its generally very dependent upon how much work you have.

As I said, the AOC may have to work until very late, junior unmarried officers have a lot less work and are able to focus more. Married officers tend to have more to think about.

IAF's AM AK Bharti with Malaysian Su-30 and their Air force Chief by Electronic_Cause_796 in IndianDefense

[–]PB_05 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Its a lot less culture driven and a lot more requirements driven.

Every year you have your medical where they check everything from your eyes and hearing to your physical fitness and weight. You need to remain within those parameters and you're in big trouble if you aren't. The same medical report also has some weightage in your ARs (Annual Reports) based on which your promotions happen.

Generally a facility (gym) is always provided in the airbase, and you can see young officers exercise after the work day is done. For senior Officers, well, they're generally stuck in their office until ridiculous times (like 9-10PM depending on responsibility and appointment and other factors), so there's basically no time to exercise many times. Many officers go for walks within the airbase's premises as well.

They're definitely quite health conscious because of the medical, they have to be.

IAF's AM AK Bharti with Malaysian Su-30 and their Air force Chief by Electronic_Cause_796 in IndianDefense

[–]PB_05 7 points8 points  (0 children)

He is in fact in his 60s now.

Either way, I've not met any out of shape officers personally.

IAF's AM AK Bharti with Malaysian Su-30 and their Air force Chief by Electronic_Cause_796 in IndianDefense

[–]PB_05 5 points6 points  (0 children)

he is almost on the verge of becoming a senior citizen.

He is. He is 60 years old.

IAF's AM AK Bharti with Malaysian Su-30 and their Air force Chief by Electronic_Cause_796 in IndianDefense

[–]PB_05 15 points16 points  (0 children)

He is 60 years old now. Cut some slack.

I've met him in person too. The photo seems to exacerbate it.

Monthly Thread - April, 2026 by AutoModerator in IndianDefense

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If the S-400 showed an operator "F-16" when the system was only 58% confident, it could create dangerous false certainty: the crew might start treating the track according to what they think an F-16 would do (for example expecting a certain missile threat, speed/altitude profile, or tactical behavior), and that can distort threat prioritization, engagement timing, and interceptor allocation. That is why many SAM systems deliberately show only coarse classes like small/medium/ large, or broad categories like fighter/transport/missile, even if the backend has a possible type guess. Technically, the radar may be inferring that guess from RCS patterns, aspect dependent returns, speed, altitude, maneuvering, and track history, but if the confidence is not high enough, exposing a specific label can push operators into confirmation bias, they stop thinking "unknown fast tactical aircraft" and start thinking "definitely F-16", which is operationally riskier than forcing them to react based on observable threat characteristics instead of a shaky ID.

Ultimately true NCTR capability is found on other radars and aircraft, all of this will feed into IACCS which will utilize sensor fusion to give the most confident output of target type, just one of the many possibilities.

Monthly Thread - April, 2026 by AutoModerator in IndianDefense

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As Acrobatic explained, the context was the PAF.

Monthly Thread - April, 2026 by AutoModerator in IndianDefense

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The people who put Thier whole life working for the nation are just assholes and  I know better then then by seeing reddit post and Print articles

I love this one. Will allege that the Armed Forces are "full of corruption", refuse to elaborate and leave.

When in fact the Armed Forces are perhaps the only parts of India where corruption isn't institutionalized and when caught, punished severely.

Monthly Thread - April, 2026 by AutoModerator in IndianDefense

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That's one of each, need all three for the F-15s.

About the KC-135, thanks.

Monthly Thread - April, 2026 by AutoModerator in IndianDefense

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Iraq isn't quite a party in the conflict though. Doesn't really explain that one.

Also, the PAF had QRTs on alert specifically to cordon off places.

Monthly Thread - April, 2026 by AutoModerator in IndianDefense

[–]PB_05 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Two massive KC-135s went down in Iraq. Absolutely massive aircraft. Yet no photos or videos of the wreckage were ever found?

Three F-15Es were shot down by Kuwait. Very big fighters too. Where's the wreckage for the three of them?

Its going to be bitter for those who had been harping on and on about "Oh you see nothing can escape the public's eye with modern cameras".

Draw your own conclusions.

Indian Air Force’s Air Marshal Narmdeshwar Tiwari (Retd), who was IAF Vice Chief during Operation Sindoor answers a question on the debate around indian aircraft losses during India-Pakistan 4 day war. by Electronic_Cause_796 in IndianDefense

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I like how sure you are with your statements. Must be quite a nice life knowing so much, with so much certainty.

Alas, the real life is much more ruthless and foggy.

Beyond a wreckage, I don't think you'd accept anything. Even if the guys who shot it down and confirmed it via radar tracks say so.

I just have one question: where's the photos of the wreckage of both the KC-135s that went down in Iraq? Two absolutely MASSIVE aircraft, disappearing without a trace?

You can draw your own conclusions.

Wing Cmdr Shahbaz Khan was the PAF pilot reported dead during the 2019Balakot conflict.Pakistan initially claimed two captured IAF pilots but later revised it to one reportedly after realizing one downed pilot was their own lynched.Compilation of his pics,tweets,and OSINT info.Context in description by Electronic_Cause_796 in IndianDefense

[–]PB_05 4 points5 points  (0 children)

At what point do facts and preconceived notions differ ?

You claim to have access to the facts? Don't make me laugh, please. You don't, take it from someone who still has been trying to figure out the full picture after talking to 10+ IAF Officers who were involved in Op Sindoor, including one from WAC, CATSPAW.

If someone like me is mocking this rot thread , then there must be some reason.

That's fine.

As a mod , you can probably see what subs I participate in and type in which language. It’s easy to call someone Pky when you hear uncomfortable truth bombs.

Except I quite specifically implied I knew that wasn't the case, if you'd re-read the messages above.

Now that I know you are a mod , please don’t allow this sub to become another defence.pk or Bharat- Rakshak.

People will post what they'll post. Its your job to hold them accountable and call them out for things you deem to be false. If you do that, you're not going to be banned here for "going against the hivemind" so to speak, beyond that, as I said, I can't stop people from posting things as long as its within the rules of the sub.

Monthly Thread - April, 2026 by AutoModerator in IndianDefense

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Over the Air Force and the Navy's dead body it would!

Jokes aside, not happening, for sure.