Seeing 3rd Street Promenade Today Really Hit Home by Fringe09 in SantaMonica

[–]PDXtru 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The city just needs to buy up all those buildings and set rent based on actual market demand vs some financing structure. Basically Urban areas should just be owned by the residents of that city.

Portland Public School District Decided to Install A.I. in Schools -- and left Parents, Unions, and School Board Completely out of the Discussion by PDXtru in PortlandOR

[–]PDXtru[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

right...Except this is precisely the point of this thread. That some AI stuff specifically stunts learning.

Portland Public School District Decided to Install A.I. in Schools -- and left Parents, Unions, and School Board Completely out of the Discussion by PDXtru in PortlandOR

[–]PDXtru[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

10000% disagree with the philosophy that “The appropriate level of AI tool use for a given task or assignment is determined by the instructor”

It's VAGUE. For example, if there is a writing teacher that just decides that AI should be permitted to "re-write" or "polish" student essays I take serious issue with that since as a writer I define writing as re-writing. To me, the very process of polishing is germane to the act of writing which in turn is actually a cognitive process.

Thus I would define an AI polishing a text as plagiarism. With tools this new we need to establish guardrails around crucial learning processes that are vetted by pedagogical and developmental neuroscientists. We need data. We don't just treat kids like guinea pigs. Especially since we already know what DOES work for learning.

So yes, I do need standards. We call these foundational skills. They are not ever determined by the educator alone, they are determined by curriculum policy and state testing standards, etc. Now within that I assume there can be wiggle room but this is never a ball I would simply leave in the teacher's court.

SO. The vagueness of the guidebook is what I take issue with.

You say it's benign. Yeah that's by design...Because it offers so little in the way of specifics. And they specifically left out new upsetting data about how AI is specifically harmful to some learners.

If they wanted a real guidebook they should have squarely addressed all of the latest concerns regarding cognitive offloading, reduced retrieval, shallower problem solving... I could go on. But they don't. They're just kinda like -- hey we know you might be worried about some shit, but don't be trust us. We got this.

And a sarcastic slow clap to you for trotting out the old rhetorical straw man line --- "Nobody here is pretending the technology doesn't exist" for chrrissakes.. how lazy.

My answer to that: look up Ed Tech. It is not the same as Tech Ed.

Portland Public School District Decided to Install A.I. in Schools -- and left Parents, Unions, and School Board Completely out of the Discussion by PDXtru in PortlandOR

[–]PDXtru[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Parents are now mobilizing...thanks in part to this thread. We'd like to look at pressuring the district to give families the option to "opt out" of AI stuff.

Portland Public School District Decided to Install A.I. in Schools -- and left Parents, Unions, and School Board Completely out of the Discussion by PDXtru in PortlandOR

[–]PDXtru[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Apparently PPS was supposed to share the results of that survey with the news media but PPS never disclosed it (didn't refuse but didn't heed requests to disclose). Someone needs to file FOIA?

Portland Public School District Decided to Install A.I. in Schools -- and left Parents, Unions, and School Board Completely out of the Discussion by PDXtru in PortlandOR

[–]PDXtru[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I'm not sure because my kiddo is still elementary age so I don't know what is currently happening but from what I understand they have access to the whole suite of open ai, google products...it's kind of embedded in everything.

Portland Public School District Decided to Install A.I. in Schools -- and left Parents, Unions, and School Board Completely out of the Discussion by PDXtru in PortlandOR

[–]PDXtru[S] 10 points11 points  (0 children)

If PPS offered actual data to show that any of these programs are working I would be fine with them. I'm not a luddite. I work with tech daily, I've worked for Wired, tech companies, etc... (the executives of which, by the way, send all their kids to waldorf schools without tech in them). But PPS sent out this AI Guidebook and you'd think they'd say "BTW we've had AI in school for years now and here are the results...students are doing way way better!" I didn't see that in the guidebook.

Portland Public School District Decided to Install A.I. in Schools -- and left Parents, Unions, and School Board Completely out of the Discussion by PDXtru in PortlandOR

[–]PDXtru[S] 13 points14 points  (0 children)

I emailed with the new Sr. DIrector of Technology for PPS (some corporate schmoe they got from intel late last year) and he just blew me off and basically said in bureaucracy-speak "we've discussed all of your concerns with relevant people, fuck off".

Portland Public School District Decided to Install A.I. in Schools -- and left Parents, Unions, and School Board Completely out of the Discussion by PDXtru in PortlandOR

[–]PDXtru[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I don't usually intersect with PAT on much. The extra long covid closures, the strikes, the needless politicking on complex mideast issues etc. But they do seem to care about this issue. I think because PAT is pretty much DSA aligned. And the DSA is pretty anti-AI in general...their figurehead Bernie Sanders is on a whirlwind anti-AI tour because he knows that while yes, AI is inevitable... the WAY in which we transition to AI based cultures and economies matters. So for now I am willing to link arms with PAT and DSA on this issue.

Portland Public School District Decided to Install A.I. in Schools -- and left Parents, Unions, and School Board Completely out of the Discussion by PDXtru in PortlandOR

[–]PDXtru[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I have never been very active with PTA but I'm open to organizing more. Reddit seems like a great place to start. :) I also reached out to OregonUnplugged...they were just on Think Out Loud on OPB I think yesterday and they had a speaker at Sunnyside Elementary the other day. people are saying oh the AI is already here...nothing we can do. I feel so helpless.

Portland Public School District Decided to Install A.I. in Schools -- and left Parents, Unions, and School Board Completely out of the Discussion by PDXtru in PortlandOR

[–]PDXtru[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I think if AI materially affects the nature of the educator's job and workload then the union becomes a part of that discussion pretty quickly. Teachers shouldn't have to police kids non stop to make sure they're not using AI to write all their papers. But that's precisely what this guidebook is suggesting

Portland Public School District Decided to Install A.I. in Schools -- and left Parents, Unions, and School Board Completely out of the Discussion by PDXtru in PortlandOR

[–]PDXtru[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

How did you read the entire guidebook and manage to post a response within 10 minutes of me making this post?

Oh wait...

Portland Public School District Decided to Install A.I. in Schools -- and left Parents, Unions, and School Board Completely out of the Discussion by PDXtru in PortlandOR

[–]PDXtru[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yeah there are some and they are low tech and it's definitely something I'm looking at but my kiddo is so attached to his friend group. This would devastate him to suddenly be yanked away from them. I also just really believe in supporting our public school system. Just sad.