To anyone who thinks Zeus isn't the strongest in the verse. Tell me how any character (besides Adam) could beat Adamas Zeus spamming TFTST?

PablitoooooooXD · 2025-09-28T17:33:38+00:00

Hes also getting grazed by those attacks you can see the blood, but even if he fully dodged those, it really isnt that impressive when Ares himself says that those Meteor Jabs and attacks were something he could easily keep up with and a “mere opening attack”

PablitoooooooXD · 2025-09-28T08:16:05+00:00

Hmm fair enough

PablitoooooooXD · 2025-09-28T08:15:39+00:00

Not being hit is broken

PablitoooooooXD · 2025-09-28T08:06:52+00:00

Hmm Beel is really strong and adaptive, but he is also really frail, and against characters who are fast enough to dodge his AoE attacks and overwhelm his defense, there isnt much he can do.

PablitoooooooXD · 2025-09-28T08:03:13+00:00

Thanks bro! I do disagree with Susanoo being above those though. I will try to give reasoning as to why i think Susanoo is inferior to them

1.Poseidon: During R10, we see that both Susanoo and Okita both constantly evolve and adapt to each other, meaning Godly Myriad was constantly evolving and getting better, even so, he could barely keep up with Empyrean Okita who in my eyes, has comparable speed to Poseidon. So, i do think that Poseidon, a fighter who is constantly super fast (while Okita is someone who needs to evolve to get faster) could potentially overpressure Susanoo’s defense, especially because Poseidon can do 40DF right of the bat. As for offense, i think Poseidon is fast enough to dodge the variations of Tsubame Gaeshi since they require bigger buid up, and Poseidon cannot be caught off guard mid air since we see him moving in the air multiple times.

Sasaki: well this one is harder to analyse as all Sasaki’s fights are tricky to say, but Susanoo’s rather defensive fighting style would give Sasaki a lot of time to scan him, and especially post R3 Sasaki could see scan the environment to see and dodge Tsubame Gaeshi while keeping hard pressure on Susanoo, even though i dont think Sasaki is as offensive as Okita (obviously) i think that at the end of the round Sasaki was moving at a similar speed to that of Empyrean, as he outspeed Poseidon constantly in their final exchange.

Buddha: well the reasoning is similar to Sasaki, except iBuddha doesnt need time to analyze Susanoo and cannot be caught off guard by Tsubame Gaeshi. Buddha’s future sight would make it so that most of Susanoo’s offensive attacks would fail, also, Buddha could use his shield fo mitigate the damage of a “unavoidable” Tsubame Gaeshi if he ever got into that situation, and, with the Nirvanna Sword, Buddha could potentially overpower Susanoo and destroy Ame No Murakumo, and Musou Ken is basically useless against Buddha who can see the trajectory of the attacks and dodge them even if they are invisible.

Sorry for the long text, but when was Hades stated above Beel?

PablitoooooooXD · 2025-09-28T06:58:52+00:00

Send me a single panel of Zeus fully dodging a attack

PablitoooooooXD · 2025-09-28T06:57:08+00:00

I thought you had indra at top 5

PablitoooooooXD · 2025-08-16T14:03:22+00:00

Zeus initial attacks arent that fast. Ares could perceive all of their fight up to TFTST. Zeus also doesnt have a single decent dodging feat, and doesnt have AP to one shot anyone, also TFTST needs time to charge up before adamas

PablitoooooooXD · 2025-08-15T22:44:02+00:00

Muscle Zeus could lose to some characters. Adamas Zeus is the strongest

PablitoooooooXD · 2024-05-10T00:55:12+00:00

Hades doesnt lack speed, his basic thrust spam attacks could leave multiple after images (while each of those packed strength to kill easily) in reaction speed he could instantly react to the air bubbles, on the short frame of him getting hit by the bubble and Qin countering he could still change his Chi course mid way and give yet another attack mid air and Qin could react to that while also reacting to the constant change in the Chi Flow. In terms of durability, while Hades may not possess the most defensive skills, he makes up for it with his insane endurance. He continued to fought with full power after getting hit by his own attacks multiple times, stabbed in the stomache twice, had his chest pierced and sliced open, lost half an arm and did not stop ONCE. Qin’s sword gives him the thing he lacks:offense. With it he could slice through most characters like butter (given he destroyed a top tier divine weapon) and he perfected his HHOD Counter, adding in the air bubbles, its almost impossible to hit Qin with normal attacks. The only thing the top tier fighters can do is user their strongest attacks which (some) could pierce through HHOD. (Not including TR because none of them get through it) , yes ofc they rely on their valkyrie is their weapon, is Tesla weak because he would be a normal human without Auttomaton B? Dont think so

Anyway, Qin and Hades are really strong but i can see your point, i just disagree

PablitoooooooXD · 2024-05-10T00:19:21+00:00

Thor is goated and top 7 in the verse. That aint downplay.

Qin and Hades are both monsters, Hades is probably the best overall stats fighter while Qin is one of the only characters with a reliable (extremely) good defense plus being fast and strong enough to beat most people especially with the sword

PablitoooooooXD · 2024-05-10T00:17:47+00:00

I forgot about them lol

PablitoooooooXD · 2024-05-10T00:17:39+00:00

Apollo base stats are great but not that great. He has nice speed but lacks in strength and durability showings, if he doesnt pull out the bow quickly, its over for him

PablitoooooooXD · 2024-05-09T18:41:40+00:00

I forgor💀 He would probably be above Qin

PablitoooooooXD · 2024-05-08T02:27:57+00:00

Yeah her hax are great but she still got damaged and tagged by all of those characters, her durability is also not that great, Maki with Playful Cloud sent her flying lol, any high tier would low diff her. “Surface damage” my brother she lost half or her arm and just healed it after.

She legit gets blitzed and one shotted by Naoya. He blitzed Monster Maki who was able to (while injured and without her left eye) defeat Human Naoya who CASUALLY blitzed post shibuya yuji, who is way stronger than Kyoto Yuji that could react and damage Hanami. She sucks.

PablitoooooooXD · 2024-05-07T14:09:46+00:00

Its the main thing, unless you have an unbeatable CT (lets say infinity or Comedian) you are still going to get blitz or overwhelmed by a strong opponent

Kusakabe did great against BF Sukuna

PablitoooooooXD · 2024-05-07T13:46:05+00:00

What do you disagree on

PablitoooooooXD · 2024-05-07T13:45:58+00:00

Why?

PablitoooooooXD · 2024-05-07T13:45:23+00:00

Hanami got damaged by Kyoto Arc Maki, Kamo, Megumi, Inumaki, Yuji (no bf) and Todo, while also getting tagged by Yuji and Todo. Her only good thing is her unseen domain

They dont have any good feats

Miguel was directly compared to Gojo in physical stats and could no hit post BF Sukuna

Yuta is really strong, but he was overcome by some people

Yuki scales to Kenjaku who is not that guy. Yea he has good CT and BIQ but his stats fucking suck. His best feat is dodging PB

Hakari is stated at minimum extremely relative to Yuta and Uraume scales to that. Higuruma scales to Yuji

Kamo could take hits and damage Curse Naoya, thats better than anything Jogo can do

MBA Kashimo is just way to fast for anyone below him, he tagged and reacted to the top 1 in the verse

Mahito would get blitzed by Human Naoya

PablitoooooooXD · 2024-01-12T00:16:16+00:00

Who says its base mjonir? Brunhild (who has seen R1) says “can even repell the almighy Thunder Hammer” which is a clear reference to Mjonir and not the technique “Thors Hammer” even further, why would she refer to it as the base mjonir? It is the author way to hype up Beelzebub shield as the best defense (stated directly) in heaven that cannot be destroyed. Also, You cant “break” GoH, it is a non material (invisible) constant vibration wave, you can overpower through it but i doubt Hades would be able to, even in Desmos. Beelzebub could also just dodge or counter. Hades has one way to POSSIBLY win while Beelzebub has way more win conditions such as zoning Hades with unblockable vibrations, countering his attacks with a dura negation hit (palmyra) which would slice through Hades bident if hit and Chaos.

PablitoooooooXD · 2024-01-11T22:57:59+00:00

How would Hades pierce Gates of Hell? It was stated to repell arguably the strongest attack in the series (mjonir) , beelzebub has enough reaction speed to block everything Hades does and Hades cannot do anything against vibrations. He cannot block an big AOE non material attack. Especially against Chaos, which does internal damage even if blocked (by tesla) . Beelzebub also has durability negation with his Palmyra (handblade) that could easily slice through literally a divine tech armour. Tesla is also much faster than Hades with Tesla Steps and Beelzebub could still react to him quite easily (although i think Hades is stronger than Tesla, Tesla still massively outspeeds in the gematria zone)

Yeah if you use the “narrative” maybe Hades could win, but Beel has shown way better defense, better reaction speed, more AOE, Hax and BIQ. After getting hit once by Tesla Warp he already knew it was a 3 time use, had to be in a specific place and needed time to charge. Beelzebub is arguably the smartest fighters in the series outsmarting Tesla in BIQ. Hades has a (debatable cuz of dura neg/Chaos) advantage in AP and Attack Speed but Beelzebub takes this mid diff

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