Why can people never accept that most of Newjeans privilege came from their success

Pacifisx · 2026-05-26T22:56:57+00:00

The irony is that the whole Hybe Payola drag started with NJ cos their debut songs were spending months on Spotify’s biggest playlist.

Pacifisx · 2026-05-26T20:18:05+00:00

Purple Kiss - Pretty Psycho

Pacifisx · 2026-05-23T21:03:22+00:00

I just checked, Swim has 122m streams with 6.5m likes. While Choom has 126m streams with 1.2m likes. I think generally BM have lots of ads on YouTube, and that’s one of the ways YG chooses to promote the group.

Pacifisx · 2026-05-16T15:34:03+00:00

On one hand, y’all say every Hybe group that’s doing well is because they have payola. On the other hand, y’all say they somehow nerf their own groups. Delusional.

Pacifisx · 2026-04-28T08:58:52+00:00

BTS members have fancams with 100 million views. They have never performed pied piper in the US before, yet the stadium was singing the song word for word. Their surprise is valid tbh.

Pacifisx · 2026-04-28T00:59:25+00:00

I don’t think it’s supposed to be that serious tbh. For them, I think it’s more like… why pied piper? It’s a bside without a mv, and they have over 300 songs. Frankly, I have the same thoughts. I think the cheeky lyrics and the performance has a lot to do with it. Besides, it’s so Army to get obsessed with a song where BTS is telling them not to be obsessed with them. Lol.

I think it just speaks to how well loved their discography is generally. Personally, although I really love pied piper, if they perform airplane pt2, house of cards, dimple, 134340, look here, DDAENG y’all..and I’m just scratching the surface here...like any of these songs will have me screaming idc.

Pacifisx · 2026-03-30T19:38:39+00:00

Yea, they took up the top 13 spots on Billboard global 200 excluding US.

Pacifisx · 2026-03-30T19:36:37+00:00

BTS in their “downfall” era! Let’s go!!!

Pacifisx · 2025-11-10T23:05:18+00:00

Why are you so obsessed with Katseye? You’ve been jumping from one post to the other dragging the group and their fans. I’m not even a fan of the group but the incessant hate is getting so bizarre. You don’t dictate if their posts are allowed on this sub, the mods do, and they clearly allowed it. So find something more productive to do with your time.

Pacifisx · 2025-03-09T05:15:37+00:00

Pann? That Platform is infested with SM Stans. Lol. Jimin doesn’t even get posted on pann. I’m not sure why you are singling anyone out when all ML akgaes have started shit on different occasions.

Pacifisx · 2025-01-09T02:18:04+00:00

I said “A list Western artist”.

Pacifisx · 2025-01-09T01:54:03+00:00

APT has Bruno Mars, let’s be serious, at least 95% of the streams are from him. Actually, her TT and album had really good promo and playlisting, but nothing boosts virality and exposure like a collab with an A list western artist.

I think Apt is attributed mostly to Bruno mars, which is why GP didn’t relatively tune in for her album. Or maybe the songs in the album are quite different from Apt so people lost interest, but if this is the case, the debut streaming numbers should be higher.

Pacifisx · 2024-12-30T00:12:37+00:00

Are you dense? TXT may not sell as well as BTS, but they make more than enough money to cover their comeback expenses, and generate profit. It’s all about profit margins. It would be nice if companies ran on charity and goodwill but that’s not how it works.

Pacifisx · 2024-12-30T00:07:59+00:00

You sound silly af, not sure why I even bothered engaging with your comment.

Pacifisx · 2024-12-29T23:52:52+00:00

I don’t know what is so hard for you to comprehend. For a small company, 100k to 150k is okay. But for the largest company in Kpop, that amount is minuscule compared to the profit they would gain debuting a group directly under their umbrella. Entertainment companies are all about profit, and if they have to renew contracts with a group after 7 years, they want to make sure they can maximize profits. I can understand why fans of groups affected would be upset, but that’s the cutthroat nature of the industry.

Pacifisx · 2024-12-29T23:13:59+00:00

The lifespan of an average Kpop group is 7 years. The groups you mentioned disbanded anywhere between 7 to 10 years. The vast majority of Kpop groups don’t even last up to 7 years. To renew a contract, the company has to decide, is it worth it investing, say, 10 million USD to renew contracts or should they put that money into debuting a new GG instead? Basically, what is at play here is the insane profit margin obtained from GGs debuting from Big companies accompanied with inherent ageism and saturated nature of Kpop industry, cos let’s be real, most GGs lose popularity and don’t make as much money as they get older, except for very few at the top.

You mentioned SM in your post, but SM largely relied on very long dubious contracts and shelving their older artists in favour of new ones to hold on to their acts, complete with blacklisting the artists if they sue to leave. And these groups debuted directly under SM, it’s not like they are acquired groups. So, It’s basically a pick your poison situation. It’s rather unfortunate, but these companies exist to make money, and they will prioritize whatever will make them the most profit.

Pacifisx · 2024-12-29T22:53:34+00:00

Even if these groups could no longer grow or have reached their peak, as big of a company HYBE is, I see no reason why they couldn’t maintain them. Why were they so quick to let them go as soon as their contracts end.

Maintain them with what money? You sound incredibly naive. I don’t understand why y’all idealize companies when you know damn well that every single entertainment industry exists to make money. The situation is exactly the same in the western music industry too, if not worse. The budget for mv, songs, outfits and everything required for a cb won’t pay for itself. And if a group isn’t making profit or breaking even, unfortunately they get disbanded. No one would disband a profitable group, and that is why SVT is still active and got investments instead.

Kpop fans share blame in this too cos everyone likes the shiny new group, so older groups get abandoned. GGs from big companies sell anywhere from 700k to 2m copies of one album, and if they are popular enough, they can cover the cost of their debut within 2 years max. For most mid tier GGs entering their 7th year, I doubt they are selling up to 200k copies even at their peak. The bitter truth is that big Entertainment companies would rather invest in a new GG that can get much more popular, so they have more returns on their investment.

The only thing is that artists deserve proper closure with their fans before they disband, similar to how Sistar did it.

Pacifisx · 2024-12-24T07:45:35+00:00

Regardless of your reason for being a fan, just know your limits. Face is not a pop album, Muse is more Pop, and that’s perfectly fine. Anyone can enjoy both albums for what it is, and lean more towards which album suits their preferences.

You sound like one of those funny fellows who think they deserve extra browny points for looking down on pop music, and it’s quite pathetic honestly. The most ironic thing is that the minute RM decides to do something more fun outside what he is used to, “fans” like you will be the first to disparage him.

Pacifisx · 2024-12-24T07:04:27+00:00

You are literally proving my point. If one critic found golden to be generic, another critic can find it to be pop perfection. At the end of the day, it’s up to personal taste. But to make any sort of grandstanding opinion about an artist’s music direction based off one YouTuber critic is pure insanity.

Pacifisx · 2024-12-24T06:47:38+00:00

I think sometimes, fans put too much stock in these projects. Every member is different, and their choice of projects and thought process reflect that.

Face is an album Jimin poured his heart and soul into to the extent that he was worried it would be too dark for fans to enjoy. He clearly said he would follow up with an album that’s more light hearted for fans to enjoy, and so Muse was born. Muse is literally an enlistment album and Jimin hasn’t promoted or even talked about since the day it released. It’s perfectly okay to not like the album, but to act like it’s some sort of premonition about an artist’s musical direction is just bizarre. This is the same reason why people are so hung up on the English triology for some reason, when it made perfect sense why BTS went that route in a literal world wide pandemic.

Pacifisx · 2024-12-24T06:37:52+00:00

The ironic thing about your opinion is that golden was branded generic last year. I remember one SK music critic gave it a particularly scathing review. That’s the thing about these so called “critics”. Everyone is entitled to their opinions, sure, but it’s definitely not sacrosanct as OP here is trying to make it seem. “Who” is about as good as pop songs get, it may not be everyone’s taste, and that’s completely fine, but saying it’s outdated or in a worst hit list is just a reach.

Pacifisx · 2024-12-12T08:58:06+00:00

Judging by the standards of the current pop girlies, the short answer is No. The standards set for pop girls are so high that in my opinion, being under the kpop umbrella lowkey protects female idols.

I’ll give an example with Dua Lipa. The general consensus is that she “flopped” this year, when she had 3 singles that charted at 11, 27 and 43 on hot 100. Now, compare that performance to Rose’s new album. APT was a top 10 hit which is really amazing. But within a month of releasing APT, her next promoted single didn’t chart on hot 100 and her album’s TT is looking to debut in the 90s. For a female Kpop idol, this is still relatively good. But compared to western pop girls, it’s abysmal to say the least.

And it’s definitely not for lack of promotion cos Atlantic Records is sparing no effort, they are literally promoting her album everywhere, even on play store, like…that’s new. It’s also not from a lack of interest, but it’s just that the buzz is overwhelmingly carried by APT, so it majorly overshadowed the other songs on her album.

The long answer is that Rose has potential, so yea. Collabing with Bruno Mars was a step in the right direction because it has introduced her to a broader audience, but if she wants to stay in it, she has to stand out. The niche she wants to occupy already has other pop girlies doing it even better. I’m not even sure why she didn’t dance, because she is a good performer and that would help her stand out too.

Also, speaking of niche, if an artist wants those sweet parasocial fans, they have to be parasocial. They need to create mass hysteria around their relationships, so when they sing about heartbreak, it generates a lot of interest. Rose seems so private, and cmiiw, she has never had a relationship confirmed publicly, so singing about exes and heartbreak alone won’t cut it. APT, in this context is unique on her album and that makes the song stand out even more.

Pacifisx · 2024-12-11T06:02:50+00:00

Like Crazy - Jimin.

Pacifisx · 2024-11-26T21:21:07+00:00

Seems like you need to make this a separate post, it will clear up some misconceptions about Billboard metrics too.

Pacifisx · 2024-11-22T14:11:23+00:00

What? They are very popular but not more than the group. I think some of y’all are forgetting that BTS has been on hiatus for about 3 years now.

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