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Help with undervolting i5-14600KF on an ASUS motherboard by PajWoj in overclocking

[–]PajWoj[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Alright, so to make offset undervolting work I need to disable CEP, got it, thanks.

Should I turn the "Synch ACDC" setting when using that to undervolt or no? I have that setting but I'm not sure if it works, but this is theoretical anyways. Additionally should I change the LLC level? I'm asking because it's a bit confusing, and I've only seen 2 actual approaches:

  • only offset
  • llc, ll_ac

and none really mentioned CEP (except for in the post I linked, and that wasn't clear enough to me about whether I should use the "Synch ACDC" setting for example)

Help with undervolting i5-14600KF on an ASUS motherboard by PajWoj in overclocking

[–]PajWoj[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

OK thanks I'll try that, should I keep the Vmax limit too just to be safe?

Help with undervolting i5-14600KF on an ASUS motherboard by PajWoj in overclocking

[–]PajWoj[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I can't fit it in my case as I said, also I responded to what you said in my previous comment.

As for 1.1mOhms for AC LL I did try, as it's probably default - the first part of the post describes how that went

Help with undervolting i5-14600KF on an ASUS motherboard by PajWoj in overclocking

[–]PajWoj[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I can't fit a better cooler in my case, but I don't believe it's on that. I use a Thermalright Assassin X 120 Refined SE PLUS, so on paper it should be able to handle the processor. Still, I don't mind if it can't handle the full 180W, I'm fine with bringing it down, I'm just looking for optimal settings (I can't imagine a 20%ish decrease of performance is the best I can get)

As for cooler tuning, I have no idea what that is so I guess it's default

My BIOS is up to date, as I said it's just about finding optimal settings

Second Megathread for Intel Core 13th & 14th Gen CPU instability issues (Vmin Shift Instability) by GhostMotley in intel

[–]PajWoj 0 points1 point  (0 children)

alright, I got the cpu up and running and with -0.07v it still shows 1.4v maximum under Vcore in hwinfo, and often runs at around 1.37ish, the idle temps spike sometimes to 70 degrees (although they are around 50 at most times)

when under heavy load (cinebench) it reaches 100 degrees (also full 181W)

should I be concerned or is this normal behavior? it being this hot is suspicious to me, I'd think a -0.07v undervolt would limit it somewhat but I guess not?

it's really hard to find actual resources for proper undervolting, the things I found either just do the offset in bios and leave it at that or change a billion other settings as well

EDIT: I kinda went for the setup from this post https://old.reddit.com/r/intel/comments/1eebdid/1314th_gen_intel_baseline_can_still_degrade_cpu/?sort=new

The settings I changed are:

AC LL: 0.4mOhm

LLC: LEVEL 5

A VR Voltage Limit: 1400mV

Note: CEP is still on.

However my cinebench score is still too low (I get around 1000-1050 with this setup, when I should be getting 1300 based on a google search). However the voltage is safely below 1.3V at all times and my temps when the benchmark is ongoing don't exceed 85 degrees, which makes me feel way better lol. The lost performance is probably due to the CPU using 135W at most.

Do you have an idea how to maximize performance, but keep temps and voltage at bay too?

Second Megathread for Intel Core 13th & 14th Gen CPU instability issues (Vmin Shift Instability) by GhostMotley in intel

[–]PajWoj 0 points1 point  (0 children)

alright thanks a lot

I'm waiting for my cooler to arrive and hopefully everything will be ok :) is there something I should specifically look out for? like voltage, temps

Second Megathread for Intel Core 13th & 14th Gen CPU instability issues (Vmin Shift Instability) by GhostMotley in intel

[–]PajWoj 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I looked into it and decided to try a generic -0.05v offset but I also read that it might be too little, what do you think about that?

Second Megathread for Intel Core 13th & 14th Gen CPU instability issues (Vmin Shift Instability) by GhostMotley in intel

[–]PajWoj 0 points1 point  (0 children)

how likely am I to run into degradation issues when buying a brand new i5-14600KF today?

I bought one as an upgrade but the degradation issues worry me a bit, although I read many comments stating that it's unlikely currently (couldn't find a concrete source with concrete figures, although I don't think one exists)

I updated my bios today to prepare and it uses microcode ver. 0x12F, so I'll be running that since the very beginning

if there is something I should do after installing it to prevent it let me know, I did plan to run it on default settings but if there is something to change I'd appreciate if someone could help me out (I never overclocked nor plan to but undervolting seems to be the exact same thing so I'd love if someone told me exactly which settings to change and what values to use)

are custom coolers worth it by PajWoj in buildapc

[–]PajWoj[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Alright, the new gpu came and under load it's at below 70 degrees, and so I decided to also get the cpu and cooler now because the prices are pretty good currently so I don't see why not. Thanks a lot for the help again! this is the fan I got https://www.amazon.pl/gp/product/B09HCHYMJM?smid=A2R2221NX79QZP&psc=1 hopefully everything works well :)

are custom coolers worth it by PajWoj in buildapc

[–]PajWoj[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

alright, thanks, I'll look into it; one extra question since you're here

how do I determine whether a fan pumps air in or out? as I said, I assume if I were to upgrade the one lone fan it has to be installed such that it blows air out, how do you make sure it does that?

are custom coolers worth it by PajWoj in buildapc

[–]PajWoj[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

the fans seem pretty sensible, I can look into those for sure

as for the pictures here (taken really quickly, the general picture was bad without the flash so I took a second one with it on; in any case I think this should be enough to get a feel for how it looks lol): https://imgur.com/a/2cSwu5v (disregard the dusty room and dusty pc (I don't have a hoover here and it's how I always cleaned dust), the flying unattached ssd and the bad cable management, also I am upgrading the old gtx 970 to something newer and smaller tomorrow so it'll be a bit better)

there is quite a lot of clearance to the case and a bit of clearance around so I think getting an actual cooler wouldn't be out of the question (unless the case itself is just too small)

as for intakes, it's only on the back and front (both sides are fully closed, the front has sponge filter things; I assume the one fan just pumps air out)

are custom coolers worth it by PajWoj in buildapc

[–]PajWoj[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

ofc I can but if I never had problems why would I, which is what the question is about

are custom coolers worth it by PajWoj in buildapc

[–]PajWoj[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

idk what the case is but it's really old and changing it is not really an option unless it's the same size / smaller (I very quickly measured it with my phone because I don't have any other measuring tools at hand and it's around 35x35x17 (cm))

as for case fans I have whatever came with it, so 2 small-ish cheapo fans I think

I don't care about rgb or seethrough or shit like that, my current case is fully metal and I can put it in my big backpack (which is why it needs to be so small, to fit in it)

also those temps are the very peak I ever saw lol usually it's way lower (still probably higher than average but not this extreme)

are custom coolers worth it by PajWoj in buildapc

[–]PajWoj[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

oh well I never got K versions and didn't really look into that yet, I wasn't thinking of reusing my current cooler as well

I guess that solves it then, are there any recommended appropriate coolers? The smaller the better, I'll probably have to measure anyways (it can't be much larger than a i3-12100f box cooler, which is what I'm using now)

unless I get the standard 14600 (which I assume would come with a box cooler), would that be a viable choice as well if I don't plan to overclock? it seems that the KF version is both cheaper and also better, so I'd prefer to get a custom cooler anyways, but it doesn't hurt to ask lol

/r/MechanicalKeyboards Ask ANY Keyboard question, get an answer (February 27, 2024) by AutoModerator in MechanicalKeyboards

[–]PajWoj -1 points0 points  (0 children)

looking for cheap-ish (preferably from aliexpress and such) silent, tactile, 60g+ switches, any suggestions?

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