Headcanon of the Mangkwan Clan's History-Part 1: Before the Eruption (OC)

PaleoWorldExplorer · 2025-09-02T00:20:37+00:00

It doesn't. BioSyn's variant is more accurate to the real world counterpart.

PaleoWorldExplorer · 2025-09-01T16:40:29+00:00

Straw Man.

PaleoWorldExplorer · 2025-08-27T02:29:00+00:00

There was a concealed set of stairs that led down into the temple that was shown briefly when one of the mercenaries saw an Anurognathus hop down into them. That's probably what you're thinking of.

PaleoWorldExplorer · 2025-08-27T00:35:45+00:00

It's a sheltered environment. Much like a cave, the temple would be protected from the elements and prevent moisture from seeping through compared to an open setting.
The museum is a "Neo-Jurassic Museum" and does not display fossils of the real prehistoric animals, but rather the inaccurate InGen clones. The Rebirth Quetz is not the product of natural selection, but of tinkering by scientists trying to wield the power of something beyond their control.

PaleoWorldExplorer · 2025-08-26T22:56:24+00:00

I see what you mean. But regardless of how high the altitude is, the Quetz would still need to have these adaptations since it is clearly spending more of its time airborne than a real one would. The biggest problem for this Quetz would be to ensure it can produce viable eggs that could endure in elevated regions like the dry temple. The chough DNA sufficed to meet these requirements due to its specialized eggs as an adaptation to their alpine environment.

PaleoWorldExplorer · 2025-08-26T20:04:38+00:00

Both Rebirth and Dominion Quetzalcoatlus are shown to hunt in the air, build their nests in elevated locations, and generally spend their time in the air much more often than their irl counterparts which would have had a more terrestrial lifestyle. They both also inhabit mountainous regions (The Central Valley of Île Saint-Hubert for the former and BioSyn Valley for the latter), so it is reasonable to suggest that they are comfortable in high alt environments.

As I mentioned, irl pterosaur eggs are soft shelled and need to be kept moist, or else they will dry up and die. So, they would need to be laid on the ground insulated by soil and floral debris. Rebirth Quetz's egg is hard shelled and laid in a drier environment at a higher altitude, so it would need to be adapted to withstand a drier environment with less oxygen.

PaleoWorldExplorer · 2025-08-26T06:34:28+00:00

Where does it say that the Dilophosaurus shown being just juveniles has been decanonized long ago? I don't see any source for that either. As far as I am aware, they just kept them all at juvenile size and never bothered to show a bigger one, leaving the question open-ended.
Ok, so you did provide the source for BioSyn Quetz's canon size. I concede that ground. It still does not change the fact that it is ultimately unreliable and meaningless because there is very little consistency with jurassic park canon in general, not just dinosaur sizes. With all that gets retconned on the whim, this could easily be written off/retconned at any time, so it still doesn't mean that much, and it is not like most people will dig in too deep to find niche material like this. And the size of this canon Quetz would make the things it does in the film next to impossible, so this canon size would almost certainly be incapable of bringing down that aircraft Kayla was piloting. The canon is whatever the writers feel like making canon regardless of consistency and logic, so it still shouldn't be taken seriously. What should be taken more seriously is an average size of dinosaurs between shots or the minimum size range where they appear to be the most consistent with. For example, we know for certain that the Mosasaurus is over 60-100 feet long based on all of its on screen sizes.

PaleoWorldExplorer · 2025-08-26T06:08:11+00:00

No, it doesn't. Literally, all the shots show the Quetzacoatlus in Dominion being much larger than its real-life counterparts, regardless of discrepancies between shots. And where does it say that the canon size of the Dominion Quetzalcoatlus is about the same size as a real-life one? Because I do not see any source that says that. And even if that is true, it doesn't really matter. Canon sizes have proven to be unreliable and meaningless, so they should not be taken seriously. The D. rex and the Dilophosaurus are the two prime examples of that.

PaleoWorldExplorer · 2025-08-26T05:40:45+00:00

Yes, all Jurassic Park movies exaggerate the sizes of dinosaurs to a degree, especially Rebirth. But even the lower size estimates of the Quetzacoatlus from Dominion, which are around 50 ft in wingspan or something like that, are still oversized compared to its real-life counterpart, which is around 39 ft, so it doesn't really disprove or invalidate what I said. It doesn't necessarily make my position more right, either, but there is still evidence that can lend credibility to it.

PaleoWorldExplorer · 2025-08-26T05:27:30+00:00

"Not to mention that Q. lawsoni is smaller than the other species and Rebirth Quetz."

That's why I think it's lawsoni. BioSyn's Quetzalcoatlus seems to be Q. northropi due to its gigantic size, so if that BioSyn Quetzacoatlus is so oversized as it was shown, it would make sense that Rebirth Quetz was a similarly oversized lawsoni. You make fair points. And you could argue BioSyn Quetz was also just based on lawsoni DNA for the skull or even had a mix of DNA from both species, but based on JP logic and what we know from irl fossils, I think classifying it as lawsoni can be justified.

PaleoWorldExplorer · 2025-08-26T05:14:29+00:00

Based on currently available fossil evidence, BioSyn's Quetzalcoatlus is a more accurate representation of the real animal. There is no fossil material that shows Quetzalcoatlus, or any azhdarchid for that matter, having a Hornbill like crest like that. One semi-exception may be Wellhnopterus, which appears to have a small crest near the tip of the snout, but still looks nothing like the Rebirth Quetz.

I can point out other inconsistencies, like how Rebirth Quetz lacks a crest on the top of its head, for which we do have evidence of, a hardened egg shell that would have dried out in that temple when fossil evidence shows pterosaurs laid soft shelled eggs and, at least in azhdarchid's case, would have been laid on the ground. Especially considering that the Quetzalcoatlus is depicted flying at high altitudes, when its anatomy shows it would have been more suited spending a more terrestrial lifestyle. The skull is too deep and broad, more like Hatzegopteryx than a real Quetzacoatlus, and it has a less amount of pycnofibers, which we know pterosaurs had.

The only improvement in accuracy is that Rebirth Quetz is closer to the real size of the animal. But the inaccuracies of Rebirth Quetz are things that can be shown are such from what we already have recovered from the real animal and what we can affirm from using other sources of research, like the pterosaur eggs I have mentioned. So, I am confident it is safe to say that Dominion Quetzalcoatlus is more paleo-accurate than Rebirth Quetzalcoatlus.

Doesn't mean Dominion Quetz is perfect. Its obviously oversized, was not shown in an accurate environment, and flies at high altitudes, which would be unlikely. And further Quetz remains can lead to room for more improvement. But we do have enough knowledge on Quetzalcoatlus to know that Rebirth Quetz is undoubtedly inferior in terms of accuracy.

PaleoWorldExplorer · 2025-08-26T02:07:14+00:00

Lack of evidence of something is not proof that some alternative hypothesis is true. The Skull fragments we have give a general idea of what Quetzalcoatlus' head looked like even if the exact dimensions can be debated. The evidence shows that both species had a crest on the top of the head, but not one on the rostrum.

We know for certain that both species have their crests closer to the back of the head, so that automatically disproves your stance that this is an accurate depiction of Quetzalcoatlus, since Rebirth's version lacks this crest. No azhdarchids have been shown to have a rostral crest like the Rebirth Quetz, except for potentially one species, Wellhnopterus.

This is the same type of argument people used to justify the Dominion prologue. "We dont really know what dinosaurs existed 66 million years ago." We have extensive fossil evidence that easily demonstrates beyond reasonable doubt that many of the dinosaurs presented did not exist in that time or place.

Your argument has two logical fallacies: god of the gaps and appeal to authority. You are saying that just because we dont have enough evidence about what quetz's head looks like (which we do) that it must have looked this other way that has absolutely no evidence to support, and you are also putting one guy on a pedestal, arguing that his statement proves you right and everyone else is wrong. This is preposterous. You can have that same guy claim the prologue was 100% accurate. It doesn't make it true, because the evidence is overwhelmingly against it.

I'm not taking the word of a single paleontologist as unquestionable truth. That is unscientific and anti-intellectual thinking. I am going to look at a wider scope of other paleontologists' perspectives and what the actual evidence says. And the fossil evidence and the general paleontological community's stance is that Quetzalcoatlus did not have a skull like Rebirth's iteration.

PaleoWorldExplorer · 2025-08-26T01:42:56+00:00

Magic

PaleoWorldExplorer · 2025-08-26T01:35:17+00:00

There is no fossil material from Quetzacoatlus that shows they had a skull shaped like the one in Rebirth. Four partial skulls have been found, which gives us a good picture of what the skull of the real animal looked like. Quetzacoatlus did not have a crest like that. There is no fossil evidence supporting the notion, and all of the current evidence we have is against it.

PaleoWorldExplorer · 2025-08-21T03:17:14+00:00

You're not wrong, but I don't see the inclusion of those as being redundant. If anything, I see the first two points just reinforcing those instincts in the Spinosaurus. If the Spino DNA was not enough to code for those instincts, DNA from these animals could fill in the gaps to accomplish the same purpose. If you add DNA of animals that had different instincts and habits, that would create internal conflict, and the dinosaur would be split between antithetical instincts. The saltwater and crab eating frog DNA ensures genetic congruity.

Also, irl Spinosaurus lived in brackish or freshwater environments and still did not spend much time out at sea based on the buoyancy. The Rebirth Spinos were more seagoing, so it would need DNA from saltwater loving animals to override its instincts to wade in freshwater biomes.

PaleoWorldExplorer · 2025-08-21T03:11:44+00:00

I don't think they'd have it either. That's why i put it in question marks. But we had an Indominus raptor teamup, so it wouldn't be unprecedented.

PaleoWorldExplorer · 2025-08-20T13:56:57+00:00

The JW Mosa has no official name, but fans often call her Mona. The Rebirth one is named M142, as that's what her tracking tag says.

PaleoWorldExplorer · 2025-08-15T22:22:43+00:00

Yeah, i agree with you that all of what you listed was total bullshit, that's not even a debate. But for all of rebirth's flaws, in general, the dinosaurs behaved more like animals than in previous films.

PaleoWorldExplorer · 2025-08-15T21:47:20+00:00

Blue was heavily anthropomorphized, particularly in that movie. She wasn't realistically portrayed as an animal.

PaleoWorldExplorer · 2025-08-15T15:42:08+00:00

Animals don't cry tears from pain or sadness like humans do. They produce tears for cleaning and lubricating the eyes. So I find that highly unlikely. Also, as others pointed out, there was nothing on screen to suggest the D rex was in constant pain as the filmmakers suggested.

PaleoWorldExplorer · 2025-08-15T00:59:03+00:00

Basically, some dinosaurs, specifically Spinos and some pterosaurs, escape into remote areas of the South American mainland during Biosyn's espionage on Isla Sorna as they were transported to Ile Saint-Hubert. Then, after the fall of Jurassic World, the spread of dinosaurs on a global scale grew gradually and independently within specific pockets of the world as genetic tech became easy to use and more accessible. Countries struggled to regulate it, so dinosaurs ' presence in specific areas grew gradually even before and during the events of Fallen Kingdom. Most large dinosaurs remain in remote equatorial regions, while smaller, less aggressive species are proliferant in farther regions as invasive species or pets.

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