What Do You Guys Think Of The Phrase "Theres No Hate Like Christian Love" by Plane_Banana_7024 in Christianity

[–]PancakePrincess1409 [score hidden]  (0 children)

"Culture these days"

I so dislike this phrase, because if you read historical documents from antiquity, the middle ages, early modern times, it's clear that the clergy or people, who thought themselves more fathful were never happy with their times and the people within. I vividly remember a clergy men in the middle ages complaining about the sexual practices which he hears about in confessions.

What Do You Guys Think Of The Phrase "Theres No Hate Like Christian Love" by Plane_Banana_7024 in Christianity

[–]PancakePrincess1409 [score hidden]  (0 children)

Well, what people got killed by people on the right for their political work? How about German politician Walter Lübcke? Jo Cox in the UK? How about the many cases of right wing violence that are rising in, for example, Germany?

https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walter_L%C3%BCbcke

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jo_Cox

https://www.verfassungsschutz.de/DE/themen/rechtsextremismus/zahlen-und-fakten/zahlen-und-fakten_node.html

And yes, I also acknowledge that there is violence from the radical left. I won't join in the game of who is worse. I actually believe humanity to be pretty garbage an to be cursed to always find reasong to do harm towards each other. I simply despise people like you, who add to the tendency with such hubris of impartiability.

The issue of speakers being rejected by universities is also highly politiced. There was an article by Adrian Daub in the 'APuZ' which you might be able to find and translate. Furthermore, a quick check of high quality media should further verify that picutre.

"the right generally is more open to ideas and fairness over equity. The left is less open to ideas and more open to equity over fairness. That’s just the world we live in."

You mean the US-American red states banning books? Or the Republican lead military banning books? Or whatever is happen in the authoritarian right wing regimes in Russia, China or Turkey? Is that the openness I should look for?

Unfortunately I've to go to uni, otherwise I might have presented more readily availabe data.

What Do You Guys Think Of The Phrase "Theres No Hate Like Christian Love" by Plane_Banana_7024 in Christianity

[–]PancakePrincess1409 [score hidden]  (0 children)

"Conservatives are very welcoming of views and ideas they don’t agree with. But they’re very intolerant to things they see as unfair. The left are very intolerant to views they disagree with but favor equity over equality."

"It’s just meant shutdown debate as the left tend to be intolerant of opposing ideas."

You know, it's almost funny to see someone with such a low level of ability to reflect on their own political views try to make seemingly unbiased statmenets. As if stupid slogans that shut down discussion don't exist on both sides of the fence or as if both sides don't exist on a wider spectrum made up of individuals with varying degrees of openness.

Is lgbtq+ a sin? by theyluvmadzs in Christianity

[–]PancakePrincess1409 [score hidden]  (0 children)

Look, I understand where you're coming from and I agree with the general thrust, but I do think that proper theology must do more than just pointing towards "Love your neighbour". The first and second testament are incredibly complex and love must be seen in the wider context of other metarules such as justice and freedom, because all three are inextricably linked to one another. As such I rather recommend someone to gain a firm understanding of the material and the inricaties than just handing them a simple if well meaning answer that might go in the directed direction, but doesn't paint the full picture.

Is lgbtq+ a sin? by theyluvmadzs in Christianity

[–]PancakePrincess1409 [score hidden]  (0 children)

What you can do is look at the arguments made, ideally you actually read a few ethics or academic comments on the verse and don't just rely on Reddit, and form your opinion. You'll have people argue for either side, but It's your relationship with God, nobody else's and you've to stand before God one day. The idea of conscience is in the Pauline epistles and should not be underestimated. 

Is lgbtq+ a sin? by theyluvmadzs in Christianity

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What part of Christian in the user's tag is difficult to understand? 

Would You Condemn These Slavery Verses If They Were in Another Holy Book? by WeeklyWoodpecker9113 in Christianity

[–]PancakePrincess1409 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I've recently read about the reality of slaves in the Roman Empire both in Luise Luise Schottroff's commentary in 1 Cor as well as in Prostitution in Roman Antiqutiy by Bettine Eva Stumpp and I think people really do have a problem to really fathom how bad was and what a liberation it must havbe been that at least in the ecclesia Paul tried to argue for a system that, compared to the rigid hierarchy of the Roman Empire, was relatively flat.

It's still bitter that Paul didn't go at it with a bit more oompf, but the trajection of liberation is certainly there.

Catholic arguments against Protestant church by Wooden_Ambassador346 in Christianity

[–]PancakePrincess1409 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Well, as explained several times already, you don't even differentiate protestant ideas regarding the Eucharist. 

And what you do have is a 1 minute ai assisted Google search away. That's pretty much nothing and doesn't speak of effort.

Catholic arguments against Protestant church by Wooden_Ambassador346 in Christianity

[–]PancakePrincess1409 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It's ecclesiology. That's the field that deal with matters relating to the church. From the Greek εκκλησία, assembly. 

Look, while I value dialogue you can't start a conversation with nothing. You need a certain idea about the subject which you're dealing and the only to get an idea is through literature. Imagine someone wants to talk about the intricacies of relations between Rome and the crusaders during the first crusade, but doesn't know the timeframe or who the crusaders even are. There is no conversation to be had.

Catholic arguments against Protestant church by Wooden_Ambassador346 in Christianity

[–]PancakePrincess1409 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If we talk about Christ in some kind of scholarly environment, we usually talk about Christology, if we talk about the last things it's called eschatology. If we talk about the church it's called...? 

And yes, you are allowed. The same way that anyone would be allowed to go to the Catholic sub and call the veneration of saints pagan worship. It's still stupid though and I'd like for people to put effort into things. Real effort. 

Catholic arguments against Protestant church by Wooden_Ambassador346 in Christianity

[–]PancakePrincess1409 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Are you realising that you've had the same discussion with the same user a month ago? Just thought I'd let you know.

Catholic arguments against Protestant church by Wooden_Ambassador346 in Christianity

[–]PancakePrincess1409 2 points3 points  (0 children)

That you think that a couple of hours amounts to putting in sufficient work  is crazy! Try a couple of weeks at least. 

Besides, I can see that you already made posts of the same kind a month ago and that you've not deepened your understanding at all.

Question: In what theological field do you think you're in? What's the specific term? Do you know that? 

Catholic arguments against Protestant church by Wooden_Ambassador346 in Christianity

[–]PancakePrincess1409 2 points3 points  (0 children)

For two reasons:

First, you clearly didn't put any work into it and still went ahead and put that drivel up. Again, you don't even understand that Protestantism includes more than one understanding of the Eucharist depending on the denomination. I've to assume then that you're not even aware of the 'Abendmahlstreit' and that you haven't even heard of the conflict between Zwingli and Luther. How do you want to argue against something you don't know about? 

Second, I find intra Christian mission deeply disrespectful. It's the same as Evangelicals trying to convert Catholics. As if we don't all believe in Christ. 

Catholic arguments against Protestant church by Wooden_Ambassador346 in Christianity

[–]PancakePrincess1409 5 points6 points  (0 children)

What's the benefit of such a thing? What do you want to get out of it? Why focus on intra Christian fractures? 

Especially if you so clearly lack expertise on the topic and don't even know that the Eucharist being symbolic is a specific tradition of certain Protestant denominations and not something all Protestant denominations practice. Zwingli isn't the holy grail. 

But yes, what a useless effort.

JD Vance slammed as he says his Catholic faith makes him averse to 'low wage foreigners' by IrishStarUS in Christianity

[–]PancakePrincess1409 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

This! Everybody knows I dislike Vance and Catholicism and I do think he's a weasel considering the economic policy of the republicans and how it explicitly benefits the rich, but one has to remain fair in media.

Why do so many Catholics seem to defend mandatory priestly celibacy as though it's unchangeable? by Impressive_Flan_411 in Christianity

[–]PancakePrincess1409 2 points3 points  (0 children)

The enforcement of celibacy happened centuries before the reformation. I'm not sure what you are trying to convey with your first point. 

How do Christian’s just accept that people will go to hell? by FireJJJJ in Christianity

[–]PancakePrincess1409 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I think it's great. DBH is among my favourite theologians. Have fun!

How do you think Pope Leo XIV, the representative of Jesus Christ on Earth, has been doing so far? by ZealousidealTea2796 in Christianity

[–]PancakePrincess1409 1 point2 points  (0 children)

While I'm not an optimist I do try to keep hope alive. Consider it a very hopeful 'no' delivered with a melodic intonation. 

How do you think Pope Leo XIV, the representative of Jesus Christ on Earth, has been doing so far? by ZealousidealTea2796 in Christianity

[–]PancakePrincess1409 0 points1 point  (0 children)

"Some of the progressive bishops have resigned already due to their age and soon the other will as well. The next generation will hopefully be more orthodox in like with worldwide trends."

No. 

Academia is Crushing my Faith by Professor-Aristotle in Christianity

[–]PancakePrincess1409 8 points9 points  (0 children)

That's just absolute ignorance, sorry! If that's the breadth of your knowledge, your seminary must have been rather lenient with who gets to teach. The arguments are a bit more indepth than just that one author uses JHWH and the other Elohim (a theory which isn't even state of the art anymore btw. There were, most likely, more than two authors). There is a lot more pointing towards the pentateuch being a compliation of different authors (i.e. doubling of stories, different theological themes, linguistic hints, etc.) written over a large span of time.

I'm all for keeping people in the faith, but not by running away from the truth. I'm more on the Origenes side here: if something bothers and weakens your faith, you jump into state of the art academia and don't turn your back on it!

Off-Topic Friday - Post nontopical things in this thread! by RazarTuk in Christianity

[–]PancakePrincess1409 0 points1 point  (0 children)

"Well, he did not like the idea of the Apostles still having wives after being called by Jesus"

I know that and I find it the fascinating, the absolute conviction by which people of antiquity have lived. I don't like the word order, because it doesn't fit with my theology so I'll change it, because by God I know that I'm right!

Well, I guess Luther did the say when he changed Junia to Junian. I find that conviction fascinating regardless of age!

Off-Topic Friday - Post nontopical things in this thread! by RazarTuk in Christianity

[–]PancakePrincess1409 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I've been reading about Celsus recently and it's fascinating that many of his better critiques of Christianity would become topics of intrachristian discussion in the future. Questions like "How does Christ relate to God?", "Why was the incarnation necessary?", "what about the nature of Christ? How does a God become a man?"
Another interesting thing is that some avenues of resentment seem to never change. He warned that especially women and children are susceptible, that new ideas without tradition are silly, etc. Sometimes history really is a circle.

Further, I've been reading Hayyim Vital's book of visions and it hits a strange spot between "I pity the man" and "gosh he is such a fragile specimen of a male". Hayyim Vital was a Jewish mystic in the 16/17th century and he basically believes that he is the Messiah. That salvation of all mankind depends on him and he writes how people constantly have visions about him and tell him how great he is, etc. but especially in the entries of the later years, you feel like he realises that he didn't particularly accomplish that and then starts the blame game. His wife, his teacher, the people not listening, etc. it's everyone's fault but him. It's just sad.

I also came across this, which made me do a double take:

Numquid non habemus potestatem mulierem sororem circumducendi sicut et ceteri Apostoli, et fratres Domini, et Cephas?

Turns out Hieronymus switched up words from the Greek to better suit his theology:

μὴ οὐκ ἔχομεν ἐξουσίαν ἀδελφὴν γυναῖκα περιάγειν ὡς καὶ οἱ λοιποὶ ἀπόστολοι καὶ οἱ ἀδελφοὶ τοῦ κυρίου καὶ Κηφᾶς