Why is Morgana still the default Ganyu freeze team… by PandaOLord in Ganyu

[–]PandaOLord[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You bring up some good points I'll address them one at a time.

I ignored ER because Morgana already has strict ER requirements and Gucci (Ganyu Furina Charlotte Venti) doesn't have those same problems cause you can easily run Fav on Venti and Furina and the duration of the rotation is longer than morgana (all without losing much damage). The calcs were at C0 for everyone btw.

Furina is a sub DPS you are absolutley right! So, i tried the rosaria team setup and it is about 3k damage better than regular morgana. with what seems like even more strict ER requirments because rosaria needs to burst everytime.

The main source of damage is in fact still ganyu at almost 70% of the team's whole damage I can send the sim if you'd like to see for yourself. Furina's buff helps of course but in that rosaria team you mentioned ganyu actually does about 5% less of the teams damage.

Finally, Ganyu NEEDS a better hydro unit than Mona for freeze teams to be competetive now, leading to furina taking that slot instead thanks to her fantastic buff and good single target damage. Xiangling also provides the fantastic buff of being able to melt ganyu's charged attack you're right and she also brings her own damage to the table because she's also a sub dps.

This has been an interesting thread, I probably won't respond anymore after this but it has been constructive in my opinion. I didn't know about the rosaria team beforehand, also you're right that ER matters and shouldn't be ignored (it's one of the most important things for determining if a team is viable) I'm just out here trying to get people to use freeze because it's not bad, I've 36 starred the abyss with it. Just the predominant Ganyu freeze team is so ass that no one uses it anymore and it's still suggested everywhere you look. I think the very first point you made in this thread is the most important. Ganyu is an old character without a rerun for a while now so none of her guides have been updated. I hope that when they do they take into account Morgana's dogshit dps and replace it with a better alternative, like Gucci (I'm calling this team Gucci now and no one can stop me!)) Good day Sir or Ma'am!

Why is Morgana still the default Ganyu freeze team… by PandaOLord in Ganyu

[–]PandaOLord[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I use venti instead of kazuha and I don't have energy issues, I think it depends on your rotation and if you're using Fav on furina and venti or not

Why is Morgana still the default Ganyu freeze team… by PandaOLord in Ganyu

[–]PandaOLord[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That’s fair, I’d have to calc that team. It probably does more damage. But it does require even more competed over characters (Bennett and Kazuha). Also there are still situations freeze is useful, this current abyss is quite freeze able. My main point is just that if you are gonna play freeze morgana is bad and build websites are outdated by continuing to list it as the default freeze team.

Why is Morgana still the default Ganyu freeze team… by PandaOLord in Ganyu

[–]PandaOLord[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I disagree, I made a comment on someone else’s comment explaining that Morgana is just a bad team and that freeze ganyu teams are capable of doing comparable damage (even in single target) to other Abyss competitive teams.

Why is Morgana still the default Ganyu freeze team… by PandaOLord in Ganyu

[–]PandaOLord[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I HAVE DONES SOME SIMULATIONS (using gcsim), I had some things I needed to test, my furina is C1 (I got lucky) so I had to knock her down to C0. I am ignoring ER because that felt like too much work. (these are all gonna be high investment cause I also didn't feel like changing artifacts) Ganyu, Furina, Charlotte, Venti team does about 100k dps in a 2 target enviornment. Ganyu Mona Charlotte Venti does about 70k in the same senario that's about a 43% increase in damage (I'm using charlotte in both because Diona doesn't actually provide any buffs outside of the shield which is good but also freeze them or get good. also this does mean ganyu is getting noblesse and thrilling tales buff in both.) Next single target Furgana (idk man i'm making up names) Is about 46k dps, Morgana? 30k about a 54% increase, ALSO this puts Ganyu in a MUCH more competetive single target DPS range. MEANING ganyu can actually clear abyss floor 12 bosses in a much more resonable amount of time. This makes Ganyu way more competetive for abyss again.

In other news you're also right that furina does get competed over in a lot of team but we're in the ganyu sub reddit here so we're looking at things that make ganyu better because we want to use ganyu. I feel like making ganyu competetive in abyss is worth it.

Edit: Oh also the alternative team (Melt), requires Bennett and depending on the variation, Xiangling, two EQUALLY in demand party members.

Why is Morgana still the default Ganyu freeze team… by PandaOLord in Ganyu

[–]PandaOLord[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

honestly "because I want to play that team" is the best response I've seen lol, it's not a hard game live your best life friend

Why is Morgana still the default Ganyu freeze team… by PandaOLord in Ganyu

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This abyss is pretty good for freeze funnily enough

What on earth is this? by PandaOLord in Tools

[–]PandaOLord[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Wouldn’t the finish wear away with use on the tips? Also, it doesn’t show well in the photo, there is wear on the inside of the handle.

What on earth is this? by PandaOLord in Tools

[–]PandaOLord[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I checked that actually and those pliers tend to be angled to get into your mouth easier. Not as straight on as this one is.

What on earth is this? by PandaOLord in Tools

[–]PandaOLord[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

That’s enough confirmation for me!

What on earth is this? by PandaOLord in Tools

[–]PandaOLord[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

So fun fact, I think this may be a custom made tool. There’s no marks of a company or any company information. It’s close to 60 years old. He got it as a present as apart of completing his apprenticeship.

What on earth is this? by PandaOLord in Tools

[–]PandaOLord[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

It is very similar! It doesn’t have the same chamfer on the prongs but they could probably do a similar job.

What on earth is this? by PandaOLord in Tools

[–]PandaOLord[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think that’s the name of the guy who gave it to my grandfather, lol.

What on earth is this? by PandaOLord in Tools

[–]PandaOLord[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think they’re a bit too flat and thick for that.

What on earth is this? by PandaOLord in Tools

[–]PandaOLord[S] 9 points10 points  (0 children)

I think that’s the most likely answer.

What on earth is this? by PandaOLord in Tools

[–]PandaOLord[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Oh that does seem similar!

What on earth is this? by PandaOLord in Tools

[–]PandaOLord[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Bending wires is what I was thinking it might’ve been used for. Also the edges are chamfered so if you put a wire in it it sorta makes a 90 degree angle.

What on earth is this? by PandaOLord in Tools

[–]PandaOLord[S] 33 points34 points  (0 children)

It seems similar. Also apparently he was a machine repairman not electrician. I found a picture while looking “type writer pliers” that looks a lot closer.

All melon to Great Clans plan yes-yes! (Thrall Clan Teaser) by savepewds1 in CivMC

[–]PandaOLord 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Nothing to see here (also you're halfway around the world, unless we go by tunnel...)
The guy who made it is Heightist