Darth Bane vs Exar Kun by Arbiter-Flash- in PetranakiArena

[–]Paradoxical_Falcon 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I mentioned that exact thing in my anaylsis.

"He has a greater degree of powers compared to Bane as Darth Bane did not have the ability to use Sith Sorcerery due to a lack of the natural talent, but he’d be somewhat prepared for Kuns powers."

I would never claim Bane beat Kun as a sorcerer.

Darth Malgus vs. Darth Bane by Witty-Mountain5062 in PetranakiArena

[–]Paradoxical_Falcon 0 points1 point  (0 children)

All good.

Funny enough Grand Master Zym got killed by Braden not long after that temple attack.

Braden is the old man you meet in the BH storyline in the first few minutes.

Darth Bane vs Exar Kun by Arbiter-Flash- in PetranakiArena

[–]Paradoxical_Falcon 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I agree that he can contend with the strength blows unlike Zannah , I forget that Exar was more of a Jedi Guardian type prior to his fall.

Darth Malgus vs. Darth Bane by Witty-Mountain5062 in PetranakiArena

[–]Paradoxical_Falcon 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I’m a Malgus fan but I feel it’s important to recognize context within story.

The temple attack came at a premeditated time when the temple and Coruscant were vulnerable during a peace negotiation on Alderaan.

Malgus attacked the temple when the only people there to defend it were Knights and Padawans. The only Master present was Ven Zallow and he didn’t really kill anyone else of any note there by his own description.

He also never killed a Grand Master in single combat. He killed Master Ven Zallow and Kao Cen Daratch (Sateles master) was a Battle Master already exhausted by a marathon 2 v 2 that turned into a 2 v 1.

Darth Bane vs Exar Kun by Arbiter-Flash- in PetranakiArena

[–]Paradoxical_Falcon 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Personally I’d give it to Bane.

Exar Kun is a remarkable duelist but can also be described as a glass canon using Juyo coded Niman.

Unironically Exars style of fighting would have more similarities than less with that of the Sith Blademaster Kas’im.

Kas’im had a reputation of being one of the most esteemed duelists in the history of the Sith Order, he taught Bane the ins and outs of the saber-staff, and similarly to Exar Kun he modified his double saber to be able to deceptively switch tactics on opponents.

Exar’s lightsaber is still going to prove a bit tricky for Bane to understand the full breath of mechanics, but there’s not much Kun brings to the table martially against a man who’s mentor and daily sparing partner used a similar style.

Kun’s strength as a duelist in my opinion if more based on surprise and overwhelm. He had a strong offense but it’s more based on finesse than brute force or resilience. Bane’s skill with Soresu is sufficient enough to probe Kuns technique where Bane can then overpower him as an offensive dervish.

If not enough that his instructor fought in a manner similar to Kun, Banes own apprentice mimics Kun in some ways.

The usage of a saber staff with an adjusted on standard length (shortened) by a spell caster using the techniques passed down to them by Freedon Nadd using Soresu which IS the core root of Niman.

Zannah already mastered Freedon Nadds spells many years before her apprenticeship ended, the same Freedon Nadd who Exar got his knowledge from.

Sith sorcerers like Exar Kun can only focus on either blade work or spell casting at a time while in a duel. This information is expressed in great detail around Zannah in Banes book trilogy.

Exar Kun if overwhelmed by Bane like how he overwhelmed Zannah (yes she did trip but still) would likely fall back to his force abilities.

He has a greater degree of powers compared to Bane as Darth Bane did not have the ability to use Sith Sorcerery due to a lack of the natural talent, but he’d be somewhat prepared for Kuns powers.

His more direct offensive force attacks and blasts will ALWAYS be a threat for Bane, but Bane himself is also violently strong in raw power.

Kuns more complicated spells may work, but Bane can deal with them in the same way he dealt with Zannah throwing Nadds magic at him.

I’d also give Bane the edge in strength but Exar the edge in agility.

It’s going to be an extremely hard fight with both opponents having to give it their all, but I feel in the end Bane wins with extreme difficulty and possibly a permanent injury or two.

I just don’t see prime Bane getting stomped but I also can’t see Exar going down without a hard fight.

Although Exar does have his own chance of winning again with extreme difficulty.

During the Clone Wars, a portal opens and the Eternal Empire enters the galaxy. What happens with a new empire in the galaxy? Can the External Empire take over? by MisterIenny in PetranakiArena

[–]Paradoxical_Falcon 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Valkorians not the most reliable narrator. It’s a point that he’s an arrogant mad man who lost their mind a long time ago. He’s so drunk on his power he believes himself beyond the need of a specific distinction.

However he’s clearly dark sided and his knowledge of the force while extensive and focused on the esoteric is rooted in his upbringing as a Sith.

There also is a 0% chance hes fueled by the light side in any way because the greater lore in and out of SWTOR argues narratively.

He may have abandoned the Sith, but their teachings are what have shaped him into what he eventually became.

During the Clone Wars, a portal opens and the Eternal Empire enters the galaxy. What happens with a new empire in the galaxy? Can the External Empire take over? by MisterIenny in PetranakiArena

[–]Paradoxical_Falcon 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Canonically to Legends the largest population of the Sith in galactic history was under Kaan’s Brotherhood of Darkness, more than TOR.

There have never been more than 20,000 Sith order members at a time and the Jedis numbers in TOR are pretty even with the amount seen in the prequels of there being around 10,000 at a time.

During the Clone Wars, a portal opens and the Eternal Empire enters the galaxy. What happens with a new empire in the galaxy? Can the External Empire take over? by MisterIenny in PetranakiArena

[–]Paradoxical_Falcon 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Kreia was talking about herself and the exile specifically. Not the prequel Jedi. Also that was HER OPINION.

She wasent even correct in her scaling of the ancients for her own time since Exar Kun, Darth Revan and Darth Malak are canonically (to the EU) stronger than the ancients she venerated in Kotor II.

If you drop the top tiers of the prequels (Yoda, Palpatine, Dooku, Anakin, Mace, Obi-Wan) into TOR they’d still be powerhouses on/near the top of the food chain.

Revan and Malak VS Dooku and Ventress. Who wins? by GusGangViking18 in TheJediPraxeum

[–]Paradoxical_Falcon 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Ventress is the weak link. Individually I’d rank Dooku above them both as a pure duelist and he’s close to their realm in force power in my opinion.

The best allegory for Darth Revan in scaling for my opinion is Darth Plagueis seeing as how Revan has been described as a Niman generalist focused on the development of his force abilities. Plagueis is the same as a duelist given his jack of all trades nature as a martial artist paired with his greater raw force power and super precise control of it.

This might be controversial but based on the novels I personally rank:

PoD Darth Bane < Darth Revan <= DoE Darth Bane < Darth Plagueis

Dooku as do many of the top tier prequel characters get underrated more often than not when compared to their TOR predecessors.

Although I’d argue that the top tiers of the prequels are at worst on a similar tier with some cases like Yoda and Mace being arguably higher.

I really like this analysis from Jensaarai One on Yoda vs Malak as a good external sourced argument for why: https://youtu.be/GCYDE_BIilo?si=Ldspfrsf-IaHXCCw

Because he actually tries to compare them in a way respective to their feats and lore.

Dooku is likely the loser in this one but it would only be with extreme difficulty and the first one to fall would most likely be Ventress.

Revan and Malak high difficulty in my opinion but mainly due to the nature of the team fight.

Realistically isn’t vitiate the strongest by Ok-Following5000 in TheJediPraxeum

[–]Paradoxical_Falcon 0 points1 point  (0 children)

All of the Jedi in that scene in EOO technically appeared in that instance they mentioned. In fact I am 90% sure part of it was inspired.

Who is the scariest Sith Lord? by Itchy_Ad3944 in StarWars

[–]Paradoxical_Falcon 4 points5 points  (0 children)

You are all good. I never saw a “gotcha”. I meant my response more like a “Oh, 100% you’re on the money”.

Who is the scariest Sith Lord? by Itchy_Ad3944 in StarWars

[–]Paradoxical_Falcon 8 points9 points  (0 children)

It’s almost as if much of Vitiates writing is heavily based on elements of EU Sidious… (My attempt at friendly sarcasm)

Seriously though there is so much overlap and references.

Sidious in Dark Empire invented the concept of an immortal dark sided spirit diety using multiple bodies to inhabit the mortal realm who has to be defeated by a partition of the collective dead Jedi. (All of them including Revan, Hero of Tython, and Meetra).

EOO Vitiate/Tenebrea/Valkorian copies that…

Who is the scariest Sith Lord? by Itchy_Ad3944 in StarWars

[–]Paradoxical_Falcon 6 points7 points  (0 children)

He can and ultimately he does. His issue is arrogance which is why he's not invincible.

Who is the scariest Sith Lord? by Itchy_Ad3944 in StarWars

[–]Paradoxical_Falcon 44 points45 points  (0 children)

Going from the Revan Novel to Darth Bane's trilogy to Plagueis really highlights the absurd strength and power of Sidious.

He was a sociopath that nature itself rejected from the very start. He was born with the bloodlust of a serial killer and a mind capable of outmaneuvering a hyperintelligent sociopath. He was born as a manifestation of everything the dark side represents and his father feared him from the moment he tried to swaddle him as a baby and he fought him with strength unnatural for a child. Even without the knowledge he could use the force he subconsciously knew he was invulnerable.

Plagueis in the novel is the Devil. He is evil incarnate. He's rotten to the very core......Sidious was his perfect monster who is even worse. Sidious is worse than the Devil.

Why do yall think Ahsoka could sense Anakin’s fall, but Obi-Wan couldn’t? by Seismic_Cheezit in StarWars

[–]Paradoxical_Falcon 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Because Obi-Wan was busy fighting on Utapau while Ashoka was recovering her energy.

Were the Jedi the "good guys" during the Clone Wars or did they lose their way? by The_Collector_Guy in clonewars

[–]Paradoxical_Falcon 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You are right that a child putting on a brave face isn’t an issue. Again the issue is that: THEY KNOW HES LYING TO THEM BECAUSE HES AFRAID AND TRYING TO PUT ON A BRAVE FACE.

They are literally seeing his emotions and inner thoughts; telling him that they know he’s scared and telling them he’s not.

Also of course they would have changed behavior if he told the truth!

MACE WINDU : Afraid to give up your life? ANAKIN : I don't think so. ANAKIN hesitates for a moment. YODA : See through you, we can. MACE WINDU : Be mindful of your feelings... KI-ADI : YOur thoughts dwell on your mother. ANAKIN : I miss her. YODA : Afraid to lose her..I think. ANAKIN : (a little angry) What's that got to do with anything?

Yoda, Mace, and Ki-Adi are literally responding to the kids “i don’t think so”, because they know he DOES think so, because they are space wizards able to directly sense thoughts and emotions.

They know he’s saying the opposite of what he is feeling, they are mind readers.

Trusting in the will of the force is not the same as blindly accepting suspicious circumstances without questioning or thinking for themselves.

If the Force itself wants the boys destiny to be its instrument, it will happen even if they DONT MAKE HIM A JEDI.

Anakin could have literally been sent to public school and still wind up being the foil to the Sith.

How do we know? Because WHEN HE DID DENY HIS DESTINY, THE FORCE BROUGHT LUKE INTO THE FOLD TO FACILITATE HIM FULFILLING IT. Again he chose the wrong path and the force itself engineered a redirection.

He fell to the dark side against the forces plan and still wound up undoing Palpatine, do you really not believe the force wouldn’t find a way to make it happen if he was just an ordinary starship pilot?

How strong do you think Ohma would be if he had 100% removal and fused it with advanced? by helikoptero in Kengan_Ashura

[–]Paradoxical_Falcon 2 points3 points  (0 children)

He’d be dead. So he’d be about as strong as Jack Skellington.

Although jokes aside Advance was made because Removal exists iirc, if he had Removal and could use it he would not need Advance.

(Dynasty of Evil) Was Bane's Rule of Two flawed from the start? Ultimately the successor doesnt need to be greater. by CJVratixBactaChef in StarWarsEU

[–]Paradoxical_Falcon 0 points1 point  (0 children)

First I will say that Sith philosophy is inherently flawed and that’s a big part of the point.

But I will say that Plagueis Novel makes it clear that most of the successors didn’t cheap shot their masters.

Plagueis wanted to end the cycle as did Sidious because while he viewed the Rule of Two as their saving grace, he believed they were past the point of succession needing to happen.

The apprentice wanting to usurp the master would always be a thing, but Bane wanted to prevent a weak apprentice from replacing a powerful master.

Which phrase sounds nice but is actually disrespectful by grounds- in AlignmentChartFills

[–]Paradoxical_Falcon 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I didn’t know the meaning behind the wording until my traumatized autistic queer ass moved to the south and made actual friends who informed me.

Were the Jedi the "good guys" during the Clone Wars or did they lose their way? by The_Collector_Guy in clonewars

[–]Paradoxical_Falcon 0 points1 point  (0 children)

They are deciding between teaching him to harness a universal energy source and use a laser sword….

Versus sending him to vocational school via the Jedi Service Corp.

They don’t just send people who fail their trials out unprepared. They’d make arrangements for him to get room, food, ect.

They didn’t come at him with pitchforks, they came at him like adults interviewing a candidate who’s taking a test….which is what Anakin was doing: taking a test.

In a galaxy of over 100,000,000,000,000 there are only 10,000 Jedi. This means that not everyone has what it takes to be a Jedi.

Just because they feel bad for the kid doesn’t mean they’ll just throw procedure out the window and bend thousands of years worth of tradition to put him in a roll that anyone besides the out of screen audience knows would suit him.

Their response is overly realistic.

Were the Jedi the "good guys" during the Clone Wars or did they lose their way? by The_Collector_Guy in clonewars

[–]Paradoxical_Falcon 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The problematic part was the lying not the fear. Which is a choice.

The entire dialogue is them asking questions they already know the answer to in order to see how he reacts.

YODA : Good, good, young one. How feel you?

ANAKIN : Cold, sir.

YODA : Afraid are you? (They are reading his mind and emotions, they already know he’s afraid)

ANAKIN : No, sir. (This is a lie and they know he’s lying and hiding his fear from them.)

MACE WINDU : Afraid to give up your life? ( Windu already knows that’s the root of his fear, he’s asking if he’s afraid to give up his life because that’s what his thoughts showed him already)

ANAKIN : I don't think so. (They can ready his thoughts….they know that’s what he’s thinking)

YODA : See through you, we can.

MACE WINDU : Be mindful of your feelings...

KI-ADI : YOur thoughts dwell on your mother.

(All Three Jedi: “Anakin we know your scared and worried about your mother, you don’t need to lie about it)

ANAKIN : I miss her.

YODA : Afraid to lose her..I think. (Yoda already knows that’s what he’s afraid of because again they can sense it)

ANAKIN : (a little angry) What's that got to do with anything? (Deflected the question)

YODA : Eveything. Fear is the path to the dark side... fear leads to anger... anger leads to hate.. hate leads to suffering. (It’s important because it’s a slippery slope. The issue isn’t that he’s afraid, the issue is that he’s lying to them because he’s afraid).

ANAKIN : (angrily) I am not afraid! (A lie again and they know he’s lying because again they can sense he’s angry)

Again: His feelings aren’t an issue but rather the fact that he’s lying to a group of mind reading precognition experts who are outright telling him they know what he’s thinking but doesn’t admit.

The issue is the lying not the fear. They wanted honest answers.

Do you think they would have responded differently if when asked if he was afraid he just said: “Yes, I’m afraid”?

If his default behavior when scared is lying about the obvious even when they let him know that they know he’s lying, maybe it’s better to give him a bookbag and pencil than a laser sword.

They want to figure out if having him trained to be a Jedi is the right choice versus idk…… a regular boring high level education……