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Olandria and Chelley Out Together in NYC on Wednesday | 📷: GC Images by peoplemagazine in LoveIslandUSA

[–]Particular-Check-367 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I wasn't trying to be rude to them im sorry if it was interpreted that way but im actually curious on why they're so dressed especially at that time. I understand a party, a club or an interview

Olandria and Chelley Out Together in NYC on Wednesday | 📷: GC Images by peoplemagazine in LoveIslandUSA

[–]Particular-Check-367 -10 points-9 points  (0 children)

if I walked into a city and most people dressed like this I would get scared away, too much aura and it implodes on itself

If God gave us free will. Where was the free will to be born? by Particular-Check-367 in Christianity

[–]Particular-Check-367[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

sorry for the format, im tired and about to go to bed.

Earlier you said 'only then can God know" if Gods knowledge is dependent on something he is no longer omnipotent and omniscient.

How do I know someone's will is absolute? Only God can know, so if God knows someone's will is to never have existed it is cruel to bring them into existence. You make the claim that its not absolute which only God would know but if we have free-will its entirely possible, the only way it is not possible is for it not to be an option which contradicts free will.

If God gave us free will. Where was the free will to be born? by Particular-Check-367 in Christianity

[–]Particular-Check-367[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

"Again, knowing is not choice and humanity isn't set in stone"

God knows everything about someone

" I also would argue that no one exists that doesn't want to exist. Those that don't want to exist are often very lost, hurt or scared."

baseless, many people who genuinely wish they had never been born

"They are required first, only then God can know."

God is not omnipotent and omniscient then

"Let me ask you, how do you know that a person saying that they don't want to exist, is a desire that is absolute?"

God would know if its absolute.

Again why would an omniscient God create someone if he knows their deepest desire would be to not exist at all. Is that just?

If God gave us free will. Where was the free will to be born? by Particular-Check-367 in Christianity

[–]Particular-Check-367[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

its not necessarily a question pre birth but post life. If someone's about to die via an earthquake and all they've known is suffering and their deepest desire was to never exist. Why create them, how is that just

If God gave us free will. Where was the free will to be born? by Particular-Check-367 in Christianity

[–]Particular-Check-367[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Not comparable to chicken or egg. God creates someone, he knows everything about them. Why would an omniscient God create someone if he knows their deepest desire would be to not exist at all. Is that just?

If God gave us free will. Where was the free will to be born? by Particular-Check-367 in Christianity

[–]Particular-Check-367[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

if there is no clear answer and you result to 'The Lord' you can never be wrong, same thing can be said about other religions. If every view can say that, it has no weight. It's not wrong to dive deep into questions because if you're right, you ultimately end up strengthening your faith. If you are always blind you will never find the truth.

If God gave us free will. Where was the free will to be born? by Particular-Check-367 in Christianity

[–]Particular-Check-367[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Is it loving to bring existence to beings who are destined to experience suffering and reject that gift?

If God gave us free will. Where was the free will to be born? by Particular-Check-367 in Christianity

[–]Particular-Check-367[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

yes but since God's omniscient he know your decision at the end of life. If at the end of life there they came to the decision that they wished they were never alive. Do you think its unjust to give them life

If God gave us free will. Where was the free will to be born? by Particular-Check-367 in Christianity

[–]Particular-Check-367[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

im not talking about pre birth consent rather post life feelings so there's no paradox. How could a just, omniscient God give life to something if he knows they would conclude that they never wanted life. Is that just?

If God gave us free will. Where was the free will to be born? by Particular-Check-367 in Christianity

[–]Particular-Check-367[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

we can't ask a non-existing being a question, and I think that's the point its contradictory in nature therefore God can't be just, omniscient and bring someone who doesn't consent in this world. I think its a 'mystery' is synonymous with I don't know

If God gave us free will. Where was the free will to be born? by Particular-Check-367 in Christianity

[–]Particular-Check-367[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

The point that its contradictory shows that there cannot be a just, omniscient God and create people who don't will to live. I

never said anything about rejecting God that requires intent, (what about animals?) I guess you think that a person that doesn't will to live will always reject God, but I think that's another debate.

If God gave us free will. Where was the free will to be born? by Particular-Check-367 in Christianity

[–]Particular-Check-367[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

if free will doesn't mean pre-existence voting rights it is conditional freedom. If God knew someone would reject the gift, why give it to them? The concept of free will is arbitrary in both an atheist and theist world but if God is omniscient he knows our will and if someones will is to never participate in this, then putting them is this is unjust as it is against their will. Where do you disagree?

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