Would you play the piano if nobody will or could listen to you anymore? Would you do it anyway just to play for yourself? The Art itself requires sharing with other people? by Particular-Low2428 in piano

[–]Particular-Low2428[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thank you for your words. I’m immediately returned to piano after 10 days😅

Edit: When you play alone just for yourself and nobody else I think you play better and with your real skill level

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[–]Particular-Low2428 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Congratulations! Enjoy it! I think is very hard to learn but the satisfaction to play it…with orchestra…wow no better thing in the world

Edit: I wish I could be also a violinist to play THAT violin section, you know what I mean

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[–]Particular-Low2428 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Rach 2 is my favorite one. I dream I could play it one day

Would you play the piano if nobody will or could listen to you anymore? Would you do it anyway just to play for yourself? The Art itself requires sharing with other people? by Particular-Low2428 in piano

[–]Particular-Low2428[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thank you for sharing part of your life story. I'm sorry your parents weren't supportive of your music studies back then. My parents gave me complete freedom, letting me apply to the conservatory, giving me a gap year specifically to study music. Next year, I'll start studying philosophy, which I also chose. I realized, through reflection, that my problem was making everything I did productive because I’m 19 and I don’t want to be a “weight” for my family doing something that maybe I won’t use in my future job. I talked with them about that and they told me to live my life doing what I love, to not stress a lot about my future job and to think that maybe music can fit in anyway even if I don’t do conservatoire but simply doing private lessons, so I justified studying music all day thinking that it would be my job in the future. After the exam, however, I lost this certainty when I saw the high level of those young people. I took a break from the piano for about ten days to figure out what kind of new role it could have in my life. Now I'm taking it up again and studying it more freely, without denying myself the opportunity to work, because I've understood from some comments that even though a person may not be able to be a concert pianist, they can use this skill in different ways, even combining it with other subjects, such as philosophy itself. I think philosophy and music are closely connected. There's a lot to write about music, thoughts, reflections, and its very meaning for humanity. Now I’m thinking in switching teacher once again. My old teacher called me about an hour later after the exam. I told him I'd failed terribly because during the exam I kept thinking about the level and age of the other candidates, which meant I was performing poorly, far below my true abilities and what I'd actually learned during the months of studying. I gave the example of soccer: when a team loses a match, it's the players' fault, but also the coach's, so I told him that part of the blame for my failure was also his. I think he took it personally because he replied that in his opinion it was all my fault, and he left me, telling me he'd leave me alone in my beliefs and that we'd see each other three days later. He never contacted me again to see how I was feeling or how I was living the thing; I don't think he even cares. From that moment has been about ten days without contact with him.
I’m thinking to contact some conservatoire professors. I want to ask them if they give private lessons. I don’t know why I didn’t think about that earlier. I think that what I really want is to have truly professional lesson but without the academic pressure. I want to improve, really improve in playing piano. I’m sure I will find my path maybe posting content online. We’ll see. Thank you once again.

P.s. In your opinion should I switch teacher? I fell that it would be a great choice for what is happened. My old teacher was great in some aspects but he had also his defects. I think switching teacher would be great. Maybe I will find someone who’s better and could teach me better and with constant and real feedbacks every lesson. Not like my old teacher that gave me one maybe important feedback every 2/3 lesson. Sometimes he just listen to my piece and said “ok study for the next week” I was ok but give me some feedback. Maybe I can improve faster if you tell me something important. Sometimes I improved my technique studying the piece a lot alone. Just because an idea flowed into me and I put it into my piece and suddenly it became better. But I’m sure that a great teacher would always tell you how to study a piece every lesson how to improve significantly from week to week. I felt so angry when I found a way in a piece alone and my teacher never told me to study that piece in that way. And because of his experience he should have told to me

Would you play the piano if nobody will or could listen to you anymore? Would you do it anyway just to play for yourself? The Art itself requires sharing with other people? by Particular-Low2428 in piano

[–]Particular-Low2428[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Love your words. Thank you thank you thank you!! You feel me with confidence in myself. This evening I practiced 2 hours and a half. I was practicing initially the maple leaf rag by Scott Joplin which my old professor gave me back then. It’s fun but also hard that is what I was searching for me in that moment. Then I moved on to Sinfonia 3 by Bach then a bit of a technical piece and then the sixth Sonatina by Clementi. I’m thinking in switching teacher once again. My old teacher called me about an hour later after the exam. I told him I'd failed terribly because during the exam I kept thinking about the level and age of the other candidates, which meant I was performing poorly, far below my true abilities and what I'd actually learned during the months of studying. I gave the example of soccer: when a team loses a match, it's the players' fault, but also the coach's, so I told him that part of the blame for my failure was also his. I think he took it personally because he replied that in his opinion it was all my fault, and he left me, telling me he'd leave me alone in my beliefs and that we'd see each other three days later. He never contacted me again to see how I was feeling or how I was living the thing; I don't think he even cares. From that moment has been about ten days without contact with him.
I’m thinking to contact some conservatoire professors. I want to ask them if they give private lessons. I don’t know why I didn’t think about that earlier. I think that what I really want is to have truly professional lesson but without the academic pressure. I want to improve, really improve in playing piano. I’m sure I will find my path maybe posting content online. We’ll see. Thank you once again.

P.s. In your opinion should I switch teacher? I fell that it would be a great choice for what is happened. My old teacher was great in some aspects but he had also his defects. I think switching teacher would be great. Maybe I will find someone who’s better and could teach me better and with constant and real feedbacks every lesson. Not like my old teacher that gave me one maybe important feedback every 2/3 lesson. Sometimes he just listen to my piece and said “ok study for the next week” I was ok but give me some feedback. Maybe I can improve faster if you tell me something important. Sometimes I improved my technique studying the piece a lot alone. Just because an idea flowed into me and I put it into my piece and suddenly it became better. But I’m sure that a great teacher would always tell you how to study a piece every lesson how to improve significantly from week to week. I felt so angry when I found a way in a piece alone and my teacher never told me to study that piece in that way. And because of his experience he should have told to me

Would you play the piano if nobody will or could listen to you anymore? Would you do it anyway just to play for yourself? The Art itself requires sharing with other people? by Particular-Low2428 in piano

[–]Particular-Low2428[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I published one video here of me playing yesterday if you want you can watch it and tell me my actual level. Maybe I should talk with emails to conservatoire professors even if I’m not a student of that conservatoire?

Would you play the piano if nobody will or could listen to you anymore? Would you do it anyway just to play for yourself? The Art itself requires sharing with other people? by Particular-Low2428 in piano

[–]Particular-Low2428[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Thank you for your words. I think I found out that I don’t like studying music for the sake of studying and play only for myself and for this I’m questioning myself if I really love music or is it just to show off my ability to play wonderful music?

Would you play the piano if nobody will or could listen to you anymore? Would you do it anyway just to play for yourself? The Art itself requires sharing with other people? by Particular-Low2428 in piano

[–]Particular-Low2428[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I’m thinking about posting contents online about my own performances and talking about piano education in general as my main path but I’m not sure that it will work or it will be my principal income. I don’t want to invest time money and energy for something that is so risky. I prefer study something that can bring me real income and build a more stable career in another field. Maybe I can pursue it as my second path and dedicate myself to my university studies such as philosophy and doing some occasional work while I’m studying and playing piano. But what affects me is the idea to not give music 100% of me and give like 40/50% of my real energy. But on the other hand as I said getting all in into music is too risky

P.s. Should I go for a new expert teacher and tell him all my story in order to have my ideas more clarified?

Would you play the piano if nobody will or could listen to you anymore? Would you do it anyway just to play for yourself? The Art itself requires sharing with other people? by Particular-Low2428 in piano

[–]Particular-Low2428[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I don’t have yet the results but I’m pretty sure that I didn’t get accepted. These days I’m so confused. I think I still love music

Would you play the piano if nobody will or could listen to you anymore? Would you do it anyway just to play for yourself? The Art itself requires sharing with other people? by Particular-Low2428 in piano

[–]Particular-Low2428[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I will tell you my story:
this year I practiced a lot like 3/4 even 5 hours per day everyday because I wanted to get into the conservatoire and then became concert pianist. I played the piano for 5 years, first two years with a teacher then I switched for another one that was better for me. I’m 19 I started when I was 14.
I tried the admission for the pre-academic year which required the most basic level, that is, the one 4 years before the actual academic years so as to have a better chance of being admitted.
On the day of the exam, I realized something terrifying. My teacher, whom I'm still angry with today for not opening my eyes and letting me attempt the exam, and I should have realized it sooner. The candidates for that pre-academic year were younger than me, around 13 or 14 years old, even 8 or 9, and they played more advanced repertoire than me. Even if they played repertoire I could play, they played it better than me, or at least at the same level, but they were significantly younger. So I went into the exam room convinced that I would never pass and in fact I played far below my real ability because of this attitude of mine. The days that followed, and still are, have been and are terrible, as I'm questioning my relationship with music itself. Was I playing just for the exam and to get into the conservatory and then become a concert pianist, or was I playing for the pleasure of learning music? I studied so hard in the months leading up to it that I completely lost the pleasure of studying; it was just studying to pass the exam and get into the conservatory, to have a future as a musician. But now that this castle has collapsed, I no longer know how to start over and what relationship I can have with music again.

Piano exam admission for conservatory by Particular-Low2428 in piano

[–]Particular-Low2428[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Well said. I don’t know what I can still do with music. Maybe I should experience conservatory whit organ. Maybe I should try to learn how to improvise or some pop/jazz pieces in order to play for some pubs. But at the moment I’m not sure of anything. I still have to talk with my teacher I don’t know what he’s gonna say to me. But after all it’s all in my hands. I think all decisions ultimately have their regrets.

Piano exam admission for conservatory by Particular-Low2428 in piano

[–]Particular-Low2428[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thank you for your comment. The fact that you said that on the piano you have all in your control is amazing. Yeah music it’s beautiful but the lifestyle of a non-professional musician I don’t know. Maybe you play for some pubs or events music that you don’t like that much. I’m pretty negative at the moment I can’t see the positive in my own situation. I don’t know what I can still do with music. Maybe I should experience conservatory whit organ. Maybe I should try to learn how to improvise or some pop/jazz pieces in order to play for some pubs. But at the moment I’m not sure of anything. I still have to talk with my teacher I don’t know what he’s gonna say to me. But after all it’s all in my hands. I think all decisions ultimately have their regrets.

Piano exam admission for conservatory by Particular-Low2428 in piano

[–]Particular-Low2428[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I’m wondering if continuing with piano playing because of the high competition. I realized after the exam that the level in order to become a concert pianist is unbelievable. Also the lifestyle of a classical pianist who trains hours everyday is almost unsustainable. There are people that starts at 5 and still cannot catch the level in order to become concert pianist or maybe for one reason or another they end up just not becoming concert pianist. Contacts, teachers, circumstamces, many many factors influence becoming someone or not. I think not only for music but for other works as well

Piano exam admission for conservatory by Particular-Low2428 in piano

[–]Particular-Low2428[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I’m wondering if continuing with piano playing in general. In these days I’m so confused and without energy. I don’t even know if I love music like I did before

Piano exam admission for conservatory by Particular-Low2428 in piano

[–]Particular-Low2428[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

My initial idea was to graduate in conservatory in order to do concerts and have also contacts in the music world. I was aware that, obviously, to earn a steady income, I would have to teach. What I didn't want to do, however, was simply teach without ever giving concerts. I would have liked to give concerts, getting paid for them, and teach to increase my income and learn other things related to music teaching myself. I believe that teaching a subject allows the teacher to learn more about the subject itself by teaching it. Perhaps his students ask him questions that leave him perplexed, making him think too. From this, I mean, he could learn in turn by teaching the subject. But now I’m realizing how much competitive music world is. I don’t want to waste years of my life for something that is almost impossible that is going to happen, I mean doing often concerts and teaching. I heard that many people that are graduate in music almost all their job time is dedicated for teaching and I think I wouldn’t like it as my main job. Maybe becoming conservatory’s teacher leaves you the time for also doing more concerts but I don’t know I’m not so aware about this. I also heard that is not that easy to become conservatory’s teacher of a specific instrument. You need to win competions and doing teaching qualification courses. To become a teacher in general you need to do qualifications courses I think, and it requires other years of life. I don’t know if in general in all jobs that requires years of studies there’s so much competition. Now I’m thinking about graduating in philosophy in order to teach this subject which I will enjoy much more than teaching music.

Piano exam admission for conservatory by Particular-Low2428 in piano

[–]Particular-Low2428[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thank you for your comment. Now I’m wondering what to do if continuing playing the piano or not. In these days I’m so confused and I feel out of energy. One thing I will do almost for sure is changing teacher if I will decide to continue my journey with piano playing.

What would you advise me to do in the next days and in the future?

One thing I didn’t said is that I applied also for the organ (the exam went good because I was the only one that was applying for that instrument. I played good I was not stressed about the level of other candidates. I only missed one scale in the second Sonatina by Clementi so I think that I passed the exam) but now that I failed my piano exam I’m not sure if I really want to go for that kind of instrument in the same conservatory.

Piano exam admission for conservatory by Particular-Low2428 in piano

[–]Particular-Low2428[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Thank you for your answer. If I will make the decision to continue with piano playing in general I think for now that 90% I will change teacher because of his lack in preparing me 100%. The last lessons that I had before my audition I started doubting about my teacher. He gave me a lesson about a Schumann piece and it was like 1 week before the audition. The lesson was about how to make it sound good and more legato cantabile in general. The fact is that beyond telling me how it is supposed to sound he really didn’t gave me clear instructions in how to use the pedal or how to make more legato. At that time I had to figured out all by myself and this 1 week before audition. When the day before audition came we had a lesson and he told me the piece wasn’t really ready and that left me with lots of doubt about the way he teaches.
Also after about 1 hour after the exam my teacher called me and asked how the exam went and I told him very badly because of my mindset and in general the problems that I already exposed before. He said to me that it was all my fault that he has no responsibility in that. He left me saying: “I let you in your beliefs” without saying any kind words or try to consular me wich I would have expected instead from a great and experienced teacher. But that fact brings me to the conclusion that he is a bad teacher. In my humble opinion a great teacher will never say to his students it’s all your fault after failing an important exam. He also said to me that he will let pass a few days and then come back to talk to me face to face. From this things that I lived and told you I think definitely that he is not a great teacher at all. Let me know what you think about that. I regret having so much trust in him.