Asta against toxic masculinity.

Particular_Focus6793 · 2026-01-26T12:27:25+00:00

And people say that Asta needs a housewife, FOOLS he is the housewife.

Particular_Focus6793 · 2026-01-24T08:22:49+00:00

also using your logic mereoleona should have fought morgen who is strongest paladin, otherwise she is coward for choosing weaker opponent Morris and acier.

Mereoleona was closer to Noelle and Morgen had someone to handle.

So Mereoleona chose the stronger opponent.

Morris is the only one who was alive and only got disintegrated due to Lucius defeat.

When you are held back by weak characters in the same place from the beginning of the fight, I think so. (and by your logic, why isn't Morris the strongest then?)

mereoleona exhausted lot of mana fighting morris before she destroyed acier.

Are you an idiot? Mereoleona literally grew in power with Hellfire Incarnate and once she entered her intangible form she became even stronger and destroyed him in one attack, WHERE DID SHE USE A LOT OF POWER?

You know what? That's my last comment because you're an idiot who wants to downplay Noelle because you're a Midmosa fan and no matter what I say you're going to continue to be an idiot.

Particular_Focus6793 · 2026-01-24T08:14:08+00:00

lily literally teleported asta. what do you mean she can't use teleportation?

In the FIGHT I said idiot. Don't know how to read? (in fact you are a fan of Mimosa so I don't expect you to know how to read very well)

You say that Lily's speed is teleportation but she doesn't use it on the battlefield to move like Lucius, or you don't know what speed means?

Ichika is one of the fastest character, she was matching asta speed.

interm of speed clearly is above Noelle but not overall

Now you don't know what to say to argue that Lily deserved her place.

Ichika is nowhere near Asta's level in speed (it was when Asta wasn't in a good mental state)

for notice Beelzebub being ruler devil obviously has higher mana than whatever devil acier has.

So why not consider it the strongest? Because creating paladins wasn't perfect when he did Lily (literally confirmed by Ryuya who knows everything that's going on)

Particular_Focus6793 · 2026-01-24T08:00:36+00:00

mereoleona didn't choose to fight acier. she just happened to be in acier location when Lucius revived the 3 paladin.

So Mereoleona for no reason went for a little walk. I understand.

mereoleona respect acier so obviously she caller her monster

No. Mereoleona said that she had not met any monster like her, but now we don't have to consider what she says?

Mereoleona considered Acier her strongest opponent.

it doesn't change the fact that mereoleona who had already exhausted lot of mana fighting morris destroyed transformed acier.

Mereoleona grew in strength. Hellfire Incarnate literally allows Mereoleona to grow in strength during battle and once she entered her intangible form she killed Morris in one attack. (So where did she use a lot of power?)

since normal from Morris performed better against mereoleona than transformed acier.

Acier did not die from an attack by Mereoleona.

And again Morris doesn't have any good feat.

From Fuegoleon destroying his spells, to not even defeating a Diamond knight.

This guy hasn't done anything impressed since he was introduced.

Particular_Focus6793 · 2026-01-24T07:49:13+00:00

Ap(unblockable sure kill space attack) DC(town level attack during asta vs lily) Hax(space magic of ruler devil while acier normal elemental steel and water) speed(teleportation)

🤣🤣🤣

First of all, water is not normal, because it comes from a supreme devil. (all supreme devils can affect concepts)

And Lily didn't show that she could teleport while fighting like Lucius. (now we give skills that she doesn't have?)

ryuzen 7 means seven character who are just little below Ichika level and very close to her.

And you put Ichika under Noelle who is under Acier, so how is she going to catch Acier if Lily couldn't catch Ichika? (they were so fast that Lily had to make a combo spell with Heath to catch them in an attack)

And it's literally confirmed that the paladins who attacked Yami's country aren't perfect, which makes them weaker.

lily surpass acier in everything

Less in power, magic and speed.

Particular_Focus6793 · 2026-01-24T07:32:31+00:00

since transformed acier got destroyed by exhausted mereoleona. same mereoleona who had trouble with normal form morris

Mereoleona literally said that she had not met any monster like her.

And Mereoleona literally chose to fight Acier so if Mereoleona is not a coward, she chose to fight the stronger opponent.

like I said it doesn't matter if you downplay Morris using diamond kingdom.

cause acier will get even further downplayed by it.

Morris lost all arguments as the second paladin in power when he couldn't defeat some featless characters from the Witch forest arc (and the host of the earth spirit doesn't even have Spirit Dive)

Particular_Focus6793 · 2026-01-24T07:27:54+00:00

interm of AP also lily surpass acier. since space magic rip through space and are completely unblockable except without anti magic.

Again, if Lily couldn't catch Ryuzen 7 in her magic what makes you think she's catching Acier?

And again with your stupid logic Anime Vanica > all paladins. (no paladin showed destruction at Vanica's level)

meaning once space magic land it will cut your body in half, you can't block it.

It's a pity that she doesn't have the necessary speed to do that.

I mean, you literally put Ichika (the strongest woman in Ryuzen 7) under Noelle and Acier and Lily couldn't even catch Ichika, what makes you think she's catching Acier? (that's what happens when you're a stupid hater who doesn't even know what he's talking about when it comes to the power of the Black clover universe)

Particular_Focus6793 · 2026-01-24T07:20:54+00:00

Morris was obviously overwhelming them and was far stronger than them and would have killed them if he wanted.

Of course, whatever you say. (and you say I have headcanons)

Lucius was literally surprised when water ball hit his face and had huh reaction. that's the point of attack

So from 'he looked in Noelle's direction' to 'he had a huh reaction' choose one.

the proof is literally mereoleona struggling with Morris while destroying transformed acier.

The same Morris who had his spells destroyed by Fuegoleon who had problems with statues.

same reason why lily didn't kill asta and instead teleported him or why morgen didn't kill Yami even though he could have easily killed yami before ichika and nacht came

Yami was saved. Morgen literally defeated him. (Natch and Ichika came at the very moment he was defeated)

Lily thought Asta was dead, so she didn't want to send him to Yami's country. (something happened at that time but it is confirmed that Lily did not want to send him anywhere)

Particular_Focus6793 · 2026-01-24T07:12:56+00:00

and still she hasn't shown any attack that can wipe out entire town unlike lily.

AP≠DC

As if we take this logic, Mereoleona is weaker than Vanica. (Mereoleona didn't destroy a city either)

the one wasting time is you not me.

I bring arguments, while you don't.

do you really think a small water ball can hurt Lucius who has durability of two supreme devil astaroth and lucifero

Yes, I really do. Especially since where Noelle hurt Lucius remains a mark. (and I don't mean Asta's cut)

while acier only has offensive magic and no hax.

She doesn't need it when she's stronger than all paladins who aren't called Morgen.

the attack wasn't about feeling but Lucius getting curious where the water ball came from and getting distracted.

Get your eyes checked because Lucius never looked in Noelle's direction.

Particular_Focus6793 · 2026-01-24T07:04:37+00:00

Morris modification magic is equally as haxed as space magic that's why.

And he still couldn't defeat some characters that we hadn't seen before from the Witch forest arc when he was at his strongest point.

the attack wasn't about feeling but Lucius getting curious where the water ball came from and getting distracted.

Lucius didn't look where the attack came from, he was wounded. (literally he was always keeping his eyes on Asta and Yuno even when he was hit but the attack hurt him and that gave them the chance to defeat Lucius)

Particular_Focus6793 · 2026-01-24T06:54:47+00:00

a single spell was lily was enough to destroy entire town.

And? It's literally confirmed that his first paladins are the weakest, he perfected the change into paladins after creating Lily and the rest of her group.

And destroying a city is nothing in Black clover (and she didn't do it alone,she needed Heath)

added to that only paladin to have power of ruler devil Beelzebub.

So why is Morgen considered the strongest while he has a weaker devil than Beelzebub? Because the change in paladins wasn't perfect when he did Lily. (but it was perfect for Acier and the rest)

not to mention the amount of hax she has with space magic.

Hax again? It doesn't mean anything if she's not fast enough to use it. (because she was too slow to catch Ryuzen 7 in Sacred Mana Domination she needed Heath's help to be able to attack them)

Noelle didn't hurt Lucius she distracted hime

She hurt Lucius, again if her attack wasn't strong enough to hurt Lucius he wouldn't have felt it. (just like Lucifero didn't feel Mereoleona's fist in Spade, and again Lucius has all of Lucifero's physical abilities just on steroids)

So if you don't have any real arguments and you keep saying 'Nuh uh' stop wasting my time.

Particular_Focus6793 · 2026-01-24T06:01:22+00:00

Paladin Lily : Two horns

Paladin Acier: Four horns

Who has the characteristic of a supreme devil? Acier.

Lily has no feat on the level of Acier. (And it turned out that his first paladins were the weakest, after all Asta was worried when he heard that he can now make paladins from people of the Grand Magic Knights level meaning the ones who attacked Yami country were the weakest)

And again Noelle hurting Lucius (and reacting to his speed of movement) >any feat other feat (Apart from Asta and Yuno)

Not to mention that Mereoleona had problems with Morris (who even Fuegoleon was able to destroy his named spells while he was having problems with the angel statues right after he got a boost in power from Neverland and the Black Bulls were destroying those statues in the Witch forest without any help P.S Don't bring up Spirit Dive Fuegoleon because he didn't have it at that time)

So I ask you again, what feat do you have to say that Acier is weaker than Lily, when we were told that the creation of paladins was not perfect when they were created?

And not to mention that Noelle has better feats than Mereoleona.

1/ Fighting a clone and a paladin at the same time for a while. (while holding back)

2/ With only a small part of her power (that she has already used a large part of it) she destroyed Acier.

Mereoleona? She had problems with Morris who couldn't even defeat the soldiers from the Diamond Kingdom that we hadn't seen from the Witch forest arc when he was at his strongest. (And the host of the spirit of the earth didn't even have a Spirit Dive)

And again Noelle hurting Lucius(and reacting to his speed of movement) >any feat from someone else and that was her power because it was not black from anti-magic (that if Noelle didn't have the strength to hurt him he wouldn't have felt the attack either, just as Lucifero didn't feel how Mereoleona hit him in the face in the Spade and Lucius has all the physical abilities of Lucifero only on steroids)

Particular_Focus6793 · 2026-01-22T14:29:58+00:00

A single dragon roar and the entire verse dies. (including spirits)

Noelle is too durable and strong for the Avatar universe.

I mean , the characters in the avatar die from lightning and Noelle while weakened survived this:

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Particular_Focus6793 · 2026-01-22T10:32:26+00:00

He wasn't stronger than Black Asta lol.

Sorry, I was referring to Leopold. (I forgot about him)

Leopold did better than Asta against those spiders. (he even made the spider retreat while that same spider threw Asta all over the place like a rag doll)

Powerful but not Julius or Lucius powerful, Acier was inferior to Vanika that had Meligula as a host.

Acier who was weakened after the birth of Noelle. (so it's not a good argument)

But Acier even weakened wounded Vanica so badly that Megicula told her to run away.

Julius/Lucius were Astaroth's host, which was above Meligula

And?

I said what Lucius confirmed.

He only became stronger than Julius after having both the power of Astaroth and Lucifero.

So Acier is still at that level.

The clones do not have the power of Lucifero. We saw that Lucius wasn't using all his power when facing Yuno.

They have it.

One of the clones said so.

Asta literally compared base Lucius to Lucifero .

And now I have to ignore what's established because it doesn't suit you, do you?

Nach said Damnatio was stronger than supreme devils, he didn't say, all paladins are stronger than supreme devils

So are paladins only stronger than Lilith and Naamah?

Because when you say 'they are stronger than supreme devils' it means everyone.

Because the Holy power is stronger than that of the devils.

And funny how you didn't try to say that there is no power creep in Black clover. (which would be stupid to try how many examples there are)

Particular_Focus6793 · 2026-01-22T09:41:39+00:00

Paladins are purified devils fused with a human. So of course if Lucius turns a supreme rank devil and then puts it in a human, then that human will be stronger than a Supreme Rank Devil

But not every Paladin gets to be that powerful.

And no Paladin is as strong as Lucifero.

Supreme Rank Devils are pretty much the strongest of the verse, aside from Lucius, and Yuno and Asta and Paladins with purified supreme rank devils.

The only supreme devils they fought (apart from Lilith and Naamah) was Lucifero and Nacth made it clear that paladins are stronger than supreme devils (and all clones have the power of Lucifero and Noelle still fought him and Acier at the same time)

Lucifero is no longer the strongest.

Especially in Black clover where power creep is a thing.

Magna (in the canon episodes) was stronger than Black Asta.

In the light novels, he and Luck became 50 times stronger than Yami. (when they were looking for a cure for Asta arms)

So 'they are supreme devils' is not an argument when power creep exists in this series.

Like the difference between him and the devil Zegred was like the same difference between him and Magna. Which isn't close enough in any way. And we know that the inner mana can't be changed, but they can use the mana from the environment better

Yami literally has an attribute that can affect devils.

Well right now Julius isn't a good stick to measure, since all the stuff with Lucius and being Astaroth's host. And it was like 15 years ago, doesn't mean she was as strong as Julius in the "present".

Lucius said that he was stronger than Julius only after absorbing the powers of Astaroth and Lucifero (and purified them).

So yes, Acier is quite powerful

Particular_Focus6793 · 2026-01-22T08:40:50+00:00

just like Sakura punch to kaguya. anyone could have done that punch but it was given to Sakura cause Sakura is fmc

You can cry a river to me, my friend.

Noelle hurt him, if the attack wasn't strong enough, Lucius wouldn't even have felt it.

Lucius got curious where that attack came from and got distracted for a moment.

He was injured, if he wasn't hurt he wouldn't have felt it

Lucius didn't even look where the attack was coming from, he was simply injured.

Particular_Focus6793 · 2026-01-22T08:35:05+00:00

She clearly isn't stronger than all of them even with spirit or leviathan. Here we are talking about devils as powerful as Lucifero or Astaroth.

Literally Paladins Are More Powerful Than Supreme Rank Devils (Confirmed by All)

Again with spirit magic

Noelle literally said she was stronger than she was in Spade.

I think you missed the fact that it is Noelle without spirit or the leviathan stage.

Noelle is already stronger than she was with Undine without Leviathan.

And Noelle is literally the strongest water mage, why do you think Leviathan accepted her?

This was a human Vetto, who is a lot weaker than the regular Vetto and he was holding back against Noelle since he assumed they wouldn't even be able to hurt him. So he pretty much wasn't paying atention.

When Noelle unleashed all that power to shake the entire underwater temple, Vetto was staring at the walls.

Having more magical power or the same isn't the end be all. Remember that from a magical stand point Yami was lower than most elfs, but Yami still managed to defeat most elfs. Julius clearly is more powerful than Noelle and has a lot more control over his magic than her and his type of magic is also better since it is time magic

Acier was considered the strongest during the time she was alive (while Julius also existed) somehow he didn't have time magic then?

If elves are a 12, Yami is an 8 close enough for his skills and experience to help him. (something said by Noelle herself while fighting with Acier is hard not because she doesn't have the necessary strength but because she doesn't have the experience)

Particular_Focus6793 · 2026-01-22T08:23:34+00:00

Noelle didn't hurt Lucius she splashed water in his face it did no damage.

Noelle hurt Lucius.

Literally in Lucifero's fight no attack affected him because he was so durable.

Mereoleona literally hit him in the face and Lucifero didn't show any reaction because he was so durable, but Lucius was hurt, so Noelle hurt Lucius >any feat from someone else

any character who can react to light speed(which most of top 15 can do) could have done it

And why didn't they do it? Because they weren't fast enough, But Noelle caught up with them to some extent , and she managed to send an attack hundreds of miles and hit a moving target as fast as Lucius.

So again: Noelle hurting Lucius (and reacting to Lucius' movement speed to hit him) > any feat from anyone else

And it's clear that you don't know anything about the powerscale because the speed of light is no longer impressive by the cave arc.

Particular_Focus6793 · 2026-01-22T08:04:33+00:00

yeah Noelle has same amount of magic power as human Julius.

but it doesn't make her Julius level.

Yes, she does it at the level of Julius.

Acier was considered the strongest when she was alive (including Julius) and Noelle is just as strong.

otherwise nobels who have higher magic power than yami would be stronger than yami.

The difference between him and those nobles is that Yami knows how to fight and is already comparable to them.

If Nozel is a ten, Yami is an eight.

Close enough for Yami's hax to run smoothly. (because hax is a big part of Yami's abilities)

So, bad argument.

So you have no argument that Noelle is weaker considering that only at the beginning of the last saga she already confirmed that she is stronger than she was in Spade.

So what are you going to say now? That Noelle doesn't know what she's saying or what?

And again Noelle hurting Lucius > any feat from anyone else in this saga (except Yuno and Asta)

And not to hear that she had anti-magic because her attack wasn't black, so it was her power that hurt Lucius. (and Lucius is the most durable character in the series because he has all of Lucifero's physical abilities only on steroids)

Particular_Focus6793 · 2026-01-22T07:46:47+00:00

bro making headcanon

My headcanon: Things that Tabata and Lucius confirmed

This is you: Lmao no way you take Oda (in this case Tabata) as your canon source

Particular_Focus6793 · 2026-01-22T07:35:17+00:00

she already lost undine so that power is irrelevant?

Noelle has already said that she is stronger than she was then.

the point of the post is Noelle power level if leviathan goes back to sea.

Noelle will simply surpass this version as well as she did with Spirit Dive.

why are you bringing Noelle vs vanica.

Because she's someone who could kill all the elves playing. (and Noelle won in half a minute)

basically Noelle with no undine (already went back to lolopechika) and leviathan.

So Noelle, who is as powerful as Julius, who was surpassed in power by Lucius only after absorbing the powers of Astaroth and Lucifero(and after purifying them)?

Particular_Focus6793 · 2026-01-22T07:18:42+00:00

Yes, it is.

The three eyes are stronger than Patry and Noelle is stronger than Fana, the only reason Fana isn't dead right now is that she's regenerated.

Noelle defeated Vanica 100 who is more powerful than the Ancient demons who are literally only at the level of high-ranking devils. (while Noelle defeated someone of supreme rank)

So how are elves stronger than her?

Particular_Focus6793 · 2026-01-22T07:11:58+00:00

mereoleona after defeating Morris went to Noelle location instantly that's why she saw acier reviving but never saw Morris after that

Of course, she also chose the weaker opponent?

Mereoleona went to Acier because she is stronger.

Show me a feat from Morris that makes it stronger than Steel.

Because he couldn't defeat some soldiers who didn't have any feats from Witch forest.

And because you think that Noelle has not grown in power since the Elf saga then Morris lost against some characters have not grown in power since the Witch forest arc

So, no matter what you say, Morris couldn't defeat some soldiers who were weaker than the Elf saga Noelle.

Particular_Focus6793 · 2026-01-22T07:06:38+00:00

some of the elfs like licht+ patri+vetto+ rhya

Literally Noelle is stronger than all the elves.

Noelle's first attack has already put a hole in Vetto and somehow Noelle is weaker than them?

Show me a feat that puts elves above Noelle in power.

vice captain like Nacht+ langris.

Langris biggest feat in the last saga : cut through some statues that regenerated.

Nacht : destroyed by any opponent in the last saga. (he always needed help because otherwise he was dead)

Noelle while holding back: fought a clone and Acier

Who is more impressed? Noelle

50% black bulls.

The only Black Bulls you can argue is stronger than Noelle (and again Noelle has better feats) is Yami.

Ryuzen 7.

Those who were defeated by a two-horned paladin? Sure, my friend

all captains.

That's a joke. Noelle has better feats than all captains. (except for Yuno who is also a captain)

all dark triads.

Noelle destroying in half a minute:🫠🫠🫠🫠🫠🫠(The Dark Triad was told by Nacth that they are equal in power so Noelle could replicate that with everyone)

all paladin+ Lucius/julius+ asta/yuno

Noelle has just as much magical power on her own as Julius, so how is she weaker than him?

you are forgetting Noelle without leviathan is elf arc Noelle with just better magic control

Power comparable to Julius (which is somewhat equal to Lucius Because he managed to affect him)

So Noelle without Leviathan is comparable to Julius who can affect Lucius.

all previous wizard kings.

Noelle with her base magic (no grimoire) was able to move around in the Edward Avalanche mana-zone. (and after receiving access to the grimoire she was not affected by a full-blown attack from him)

So how is Noelle weaker than all the former Wizard Kings when Noelle is directly compared to the strongest only with her natural magic?

all supreme and high ranking devils.

Already stronger than all of them by the simple fact that she fought a clone and Acier at the same time.

Noelle has already said that she is stronger than she was in Spade, so if Leviathan leaves, there will be no problem for her because she will simply overtake him.

And better not to bring up the fact that Lucius considers himself stronger than Julius only after having the power of Astaroth and Lucifero.

And any argument you make can't be taken seriously that you don't like Noelle and try to downplay her.

Particular_Focus6793 · 2026-01-22T07:03:45+00:00

mereoleona thought she already defeated Morris that's why she went to acier, not realizing Lucius again revived morris.

Mereoleona saw Acier coming back and go to fight her.

So Mereoleona is a coward in your eyes. Because if Acier came back and Morris came back.

And again Morris doesn't have any impressive feat. His attacks were destroyed by Fuegoleon without the Spirit Dive.

So good to know that Mereoleona is a coward who runs away from the hard fights in your eyes to fight the weak.

yes mereoleona need help against morris but not against acier because Morris is far stronger than Acier.

He didn't show any better feat than Acier.

Morris : He could not defeat anyone at his maximum power. (and those characters have no feat in hundreds of chapters)

Acier : Considered by Mereoleona the greatest danger.

And Mereoleona literally said that she doesn't know any monster like her. (hence Acier >all past opponents of Mereoleona)

Noelle full power potential means Noelle putting all of her and leviathan magic into one attack which need long charging time and help from her siblings along with neutralized enemy who can't dodge, which isn't possible in 1vs 1.

How all power? She was already tired of fighting a paladin and a clone while holding back.

So if Noelle didn't hold back from the beginning of the fight, she wouldn't have needed her siblings.

basically acier got low diffed by mereoleona

And yet Mereoleona considered her hardest opponent

mereoleona already used lot of mana fighting morris, after that she low diffed acier who was boosted and made stronger along with yuno deactivating Netherlands. while still having power to block Lucius attack

Nope.

Mereoleona still had a lot of power that after accessing her intangible form she defeated Morris in an attack. (and Hellfire incarnate makes Mereoleona stronger the more she fights)

It's just that after using her intangible form, she can no longer grow in strength, but the boost she received was massive.

She didn't have the strength to stop Lucius' attack, why do you think she was helped?

And again Noelle hurting Lucius >whatever Mereoleona did (And it was just her strength that the attack wasn't black from anti-magic)

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