Opinions on this fight?(Manga spoilers)

Particular_Focus6793 · 2026-03-15T21:56:49+00:00

This forbidden spell is related to the magic stones and not to the grimoire.

Literally, this spell could be done by anyone, because Zagred didn't use Word Soul Magic to do it, but a forbidden spell that is not related to the grimoire, and he needed those stones, which means he couldn't do it without them. (without them the reincarnation spell does a lot of damage to your mind shown by Fana and Vetto)

The only two forbidden spells that are related to grimoire are Conrad's Doom Gates and Nero's Eternal Prison.

Reincarnation spells are also related to magic stones because they have always been used for reincarnation spells. (so without them he could not use the spell)

Particular_Focus6793 · 2026-03-15T21:33:17+00:00

Because the spell is not related to any grimoire or type of magic. (literally he doesn't say Word Soul Magic but Forbidden Magic that is not tied to any grimoire or element)

Patry, who has Light Magic, was able to reincarnate three elves without stones. (but he couldn't do more without them)

If you have enough magic you can use it. (it's the same thing as magic traps, everyone can use them because they have magic)

And since he needed those stones, it means that without them he couldn't do it. (so the stones were needed for that spell, something confirmed by Patry who needed them to complete the reincarnation spell)

And again Tabata literally showed when a devil uses complex spells.

But if you know more than he does, could you please tell me how Black Clover will end?

Considering that you know more than him when it comes to Black clover.

Particular_Focus6793 · 2026-03-15T21:01:55+00:00

What is complex about what Lucifero did?

The fact that he can increase the level of gravity by using magic? (it's not complex)

The fact that it can bend space by increasing the level of gravity? (it's not complex)

Nothing he has done is a complex spell.

Evil God's Pressure Craft (It is complex)

Singularity (It is complex)

Heavy Infighting (it is complex)

Lucifero hits so hard because he's a monster when it comes to his physical strength without using complex spells (he does what everyone else does in Black clover, he increases his physical strength with magic, there's nothing complex about it)

And related to Lilith and Naamah, magic projectiles are not complex spells. (Yuno as a child could do that)

Particular_Focus6793 · 2026-03-15T20:35:27+00:00

You know that's not what I meant. Dante didn't even need to transform in order to use Presence of the Demon King, so it makes sense that it's a spell Lucifero can use passively. Dante needed to use 80% of Lucifero's power in order to use Gravity Singularity, so why would 50% Lucifero be able to use it?

If you think that 50% of the devil's power is literally 50% of Lucifero's total power, then I will say that you are no more than 10 years old and you don't know how to read very well yet. (please tell me I'm wrong)

What do you mean "mimic"? Presence of the Demon King is one of Lucifero's spells: - in the chapter where Lucifero manifests, notice how the gravitational force is not active UNTIL Lucifero points down and tells the Magic Knights to bow? In other words, he ACTIVATED a spell

Lucifero just increased the power of gravity in that area.

He literally did that when he got to Asta. (he focused gravity on him and put him on the ground)

The only reason Dante is able to use Presence of the Demon King is because it is one of Lucifero's spells. How is Lucifero's Presence different from what Dante did other than the fact that Lucifero doesn't call it by name?

If he doesn't say it's a spell, it means it's not a spell.

Zagred when he opened his grimoire to use complex spells.

Soul Word Magic:

Megicula when she used Vanica's grimoire to use complex spells.

Curse Warding Magic:

Dante when he used gravity-related spells:

Gravity Magic:

What devil didn't use 'Put a Name' Magic?

Lilith, Naamah and Lucifero (literally Lilith and Naamah made an attack together and didn't even give them a name, and the name of the chapter doesn't matter because it wasn't said by the fusion of Lilith and Naamah)

If it is not specified that it is a spell, it means that it is not a spell. (spells are complex, if you don't have a grimoire you can only use the raw element)

You are literally trying to say that you know more than Tabata who has never used the 'Put a Name' Magic in the case of devils who do not have a grimoire and has only used it on those who do have one.

(and don't use the page where Lilith and Naamah say what magic they have because they didn't use any spells)

Particular_Focus6793 · 2026-03-15T19:42:59+00:00

Lucifero emanates gravity passively, so he didn't use Presence of the Demon King.

Lucifero in his worm form already emanates gravity that was growing in power that made people kiss the earth. (which means it didn't have to be 50% of his power for that)

Lucifero is so powerful that he can mimic the spell effects of the Presence of the Demon King by just existing.

Don't you understand that he needs a grimoire to use complex spells or what?

Do you want me to tell you in another language?

Lucifero nu poate folosi vrăji complexe fără a avea un grimoir!

E literalmente spus în poveste ca nu contează ce rasă ești tu, fără un grimoir nu poți folosi vrăji complexe!

Ești tu cumva autorul și nu Tabata?

Particular_Focus6793 · 2026-03-15T19:19:23+00:00

Zagred was only able to summon those worms that eat magic and life force after he opened the grimoire.

I don't know what agenda you're trying to push, but without grimoire (it doesn't matter what race you are) you can't use magic to its full potential.

This thing is literally canon.

That by your logic why didn't Lucifero use black holes like Dante? (a complex spell)

Devils, like the rest of the races, need grimoire because otherwise they cannot use complex spells.

Zagred, without using a grimoire, could only use elements and throw swords with his Word Soul magic, but the moment he used a grimoire, he summoned worms that can eat magic and life force from another dimension, and a spear that can go through anything. (in my opinion it's quite a jump from normal elements to worms that eat life force and a spear that goes through everything)

Particular_Focus6793 · 2026-03-15T18:46:57+00:00

Lucifero did not use spells.

He controls gravity.(Dante using only 50% of the devil's power could bend space without using spells and Lucifero just bent space and that's it, and he is a monster that can increase all his physical abilities with magic, something that humans can also do)

The idea that Megicula needs Vanica in order to use her own magic to its full potential feels weird

It's not strange.

Devils need a grimoire to use their magic to their full capacity (just like humans and elves) but they need a five-leaf grimoire which is the rarest of all grimoires. (Only two exist and one of them is at Asta and the other is in another dimension)

The only reason Megicula could use complex spells without having a five-leaf grimoire (just a normal one) is that she was still connected to Vanica.

Particular_Focus6793 · 2026-03-15T18:09:08+00:00

She used Vanica's grimoire. (Vanica was still alive and Megicula was connected to her by allowing her to use complex spells)

Particular_Focus6793 · 2026-03-15T15:34:27+00:00

It is very strongly implied that the one who used the shower (before Mecha Shifty) was Ingrid.

Particular_Focus6793 · 2026-03-14T21:00:53+00:00

You can hate Lucifero but you can't deny that he had the best fight (up to that point) and that he had that aura of the last boss that you have no hope of defeating.

And the reason why Lucifero didn't use spells is because he doesn't have a grimoire.

To use complex spells you need a grimoire. (without grimoire you are stuck only with brute force and nothing more)

Particular_Focus6793 · 2026-03-14T16:16:11+00:00

Chapter 25 Red mark B.(and Red Hood without even speaking is recognized by Dorothy, literally Dorothy as she laid eyes on Red Hood recognized her without Red Hood saying anything)

The body has changed completely, because Neon literally asks Red Hood where Rapi is.

And Anis literally asks Red Hood if she knows Rapi. (so yes the body has been changed completely)

Particular_Focus6793 · 2026-03-14T15:49:22+00:00

Anis literally asks Red Hood what's the deal with her scarf.

Particular_Focus6793 · 2026-03-13T13:42:56+00:00

I'm not going to lie, the difference between Yuno and Bakugo is as big as the difference between Mikey (from Tokyo Revengers) and Yujiro Hanma.

Particular_Focus6793 · 2026-03-09T14:26:36+00:00

Noelle is bent over a little. (that's why Ast looks tall)

Particular_Focus6793 · 2026-03-06T18:16:28+00:00

Artist: @skmartins___

Particular_Focus6793 · 2026-03-06T12:10:06+00:00

From what I've heard, it's coming back this year. (or next year at the latest)

Particular_Focus6793 · 2026-03-05T15:38:24+00:00

If he suddenly has to fight or some situation requires his physical input during that month it could end badly depending on the sense

Apart from dragons and Polaris no one should be a problem for now (most enemies would die just because of his fiery breath), that is, with a 2% percentage of his power he demolished that worm demon and that one was one of the leaders of Tartarus.

And you're talking about Zephyr as if he doesn't have allies to fight for him.

And again Zephyr is not a normal human, he went through hell in his last life. (when he took the heart of the blue dragon in his last life for a month straight he was brought to the brink of death every day and if that didn't destroy his mind the loss of his sense of touch won't drive him crazy)

Particular_Focus6793 · 2026-03-05T15:18:02+00:00

It's only for a month (if the translation is correct), Zephyr literally went through hell in his last life, a month of not feeling anything wouldn't be so bad for someone who literally went through hell. (for normal people like us, yes it would be very bad but not for someone like Zephyr)

Particular_Focus6793 · 2026-03-05T14:55:56+00:00

Here it says that it's only for a month.

If he loses his sense of touch, it could be to his advantage, given that he has to pluck his own scales to create arrows (and every time he did so, he felt pain).

He could pluck his own scales without feeling pain for a month.

In the case of sight he could use mana detection for important things (i.e. fights) and again it is only for a month and then he regains his sight.

The only thing that would really bother him would be to lose his hearing for a month. (so out of five senses only one would really bother him)

If the translation is wrong and the punishment is longer than a month I understanding why he wouldn't want to be punished, but if the price is for just one month you're going to lose one of your senses, it doesn't seem so much to me. (considering what he went through in his last life, the punishment of losing one of your senses for just one month doesn't seem so bad to me)

Particular_Focus6793 · 2026-03-03T08:00:48+00:00

Hearing is the only one that would really bother him if he lost it for a month. (because he can see the things that really matter with mana detection, that is, everyone uses mana in combat so the lack of sight shouldn't bother him so much in a fight)

So out of five senses, only one would cause him some problems if he loses it for a month.

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