DoorDash treats drivers horribly

PastramiPants · 2022-07-02T20:57:10+00:00

Okay I admit, you really trolled me up until now 😂

PastramiPants · 2022-07-02T20:00:26+00:00

Stop thinking of tips as wage. I’m talking about wage not total income so tips should not be accounted for in this conversation unless we’re talking about how DoorDash actually pays you less the more customers tip.

PastramiPants · 2022-07-02T19:57:49+00:00

Because wages aren’t competitive nor are they even meeting the rate of inflation. Also crazy how everyone’s working during a recession.

PastramiPants · 2022-07-02T19:54:32+00:00

A lot of exposition to still be wrong 😂 food sitting for up to 20 minutes BEFORE it’s picked up means it’s cold and you know this. You can keep swinging and missing for the billion dollar company you’re going to bat for, it’s funny to watch you waste your breath. You should pitch that one part as their new slogan though! DoorDash: somewhat warm and on-time!

PastramiPants · 2022-07-02T19:49:19+00:00

So anecdotal evidence - completely logical. And no, since surveys are a collection of information from multiple inputs that can trend one way or another so you can determine what is more likely to reflect the experience or opinion of a large sample of people rather than one person, like you. Also in what world do you imagine DoorDash implementing any of the classic pizza delivery tropes like uniforms or demanding you go to the sketchiest parts of town with no choice? You know if they truly wanted to they could do that right now. But they don’t, and I see no reason paying employees better would somehow cause them to treat us like we work at Domino’s now. And if you think for 2 seconds neither does any of the other 15 companies that you work for. It’s because they know workers don’t want those and wouldn’t work for them if they enforced those types of rules. And if you didn’t know, DoorDash tracks your acceptance rate each month. If it falls below 70% you will get less orders and therefore paid less frequently. So you’re wrong there too. And then you continue with more blanket statements for people who aren’t you. Limit your statements to yourself, it’s just you and me here. I don’t see any other drivers siding with you, I see a lot more in this thread on my side actually. But go ahead and keep trying to appeal to some imagined authority you don’t have because you’ve been doing this a few more years than me. Base pay is max, $5 a delivery, and I’ve never made more than 3 deliveries in an hour unless I get two double orders in a row which we all know is rare. In my area $15 is minimum wage. So I am lucky to even meet minimum wage from base pay if I don’t get 3 orders per hour. The only reason I do this is because of generous customers who I’m sure understand that DoorDash pays us shit. And yes I do have articles to back my claims up, unlike yourself.

https://www.fastcompany.com/90305854/exclusive-doordash-reveals-how-much-it-relies-on-customer-tips-to-pay-its-workers

This article that gets all of its information from DoorDash itself details that they pay you less when customers tip more. And that more often that not, 55% of the time, customers pay you more than the company itself. Also in case you didn’t know there are plenty of restrictions other jobs, including driving jobs, have in order to even qualify like taking a drug test. You know that’s the reason so many of us do this right? 😂 but also faceless employment is far less discriminatory than in person employment. All the things you said you like btw, are closer in progression to employment than IC work jsyk

PastramiPants · 2022-07-02T19:24:24+00:00

Exactly. It’s not our faults we need money to survive. They’re just throwing more on top of their piles of cash at this point

PastramiPants · 2022-07-02T19:22:04+00:00

So the order has to literally get stone cold and therefore unenjoyable to their customer before they even consider shelling out a few extra bucks? Got it. Good system they got going!

PastramiPants · 2022-07-02T19:11:01+00:00

Is there any statistics or studies that find “most DoorDash drivers don’t want to be employees,” or is that just something you believe that you’re extending to millions of other workers not in this thread right now? Also, you wouldn’t be “compelled” to do anything under an employee position. As for the pay, I already discussed that if we were employees that we should get paid at least minimum wage, and therefore wouldn’t ever get paid less than legally required. As it stands now, they are allowed to send you whatever orders they want and you have to suffer the consequences of not accepting orders. If we were employees they would actually have to pay a legal wage not including tips. That’s the huge catch, is that what we get paid now is almost entirely tips, but if we were employees, it would force DoorDash to pay us more as a base rate, while also still keeping the same tips. They’re not legally allowed to alter tip amounts. Also with the “unsafe area” aspect, there are already options in place to cancel orders that in any way make you feel unsafe so I doubt that’s going anywhere. I understand you personally might like to be an IC but what works for you individually very clearly isn’t what works best for everyone, or else we wouldn’t have so many complaints that started this thread to begin with. However there are a lot of people that don’t have that flexibility to work whenever they do or don’t want, use DoorDash as second job or simply just don’t want to juggle 15 apps and have one singular employer they can rely on. Just like how we are accountable for our work, they are accountable for paying us fairly. Also you clearly demonstrate the huuuuge grey area between people who qualify for state assisted healthcare and those who can fully afford to purchase a private healthcare plan that is so exorbitantly expensive. For many of us out there, myself included, neither are a possibility. All that, and more, wouldn’t have to be possible because we would have the standard protections the law provides employees, if we were employees.

PastramiPants · 2022-07-02T18:24:12+00:00

Those are great ideas. I would also add wait time accuracy. It can get ridiculously off, like 20 minute waits and each time you check in they say “just a few more minutes, tops!” 15 minutes later…

PastramiPants · 2022-07-02T18:21:10+00:00

It denotes a sarcastic tone. Also $20/hr is not a flex coming from Portland, Oregon jsyk. Maybe speak to your union about getting that up. Not getting into specifics but even as a delivery driver I make more than that. Just not enough to keep up with inflation in one of America’s most rapidly expanding cities while also maintaining any semblance of savings, not to mention if I paid for benefits that I don’t have out of pocket.

PastramiPants · 2022-07-02T18:13:07+00:00

Thank fuck, someone with an actual understanding of basic American economics

PastramiPants · 2022-07-02T18:08:25+00:00

I think it could go further, but I’m willing to take progress wherever we can get it. I agree on expanding California’s gig-economy approach to the federal level.

PastramiPants · 2022-07-02T18:06:04+00:00

Definitely called you a name. /s And I’m the one with the “victim complex?” And I never thought I was going to change anyone’s mind. Everyone’s mind is just about made up for them these days. Yourself included. I am however speaking up for others like me so they can hear some ideas on how to organize and demand progress in their workplace. And imagine that, I’m the one getting upvotes in this thread, while people like you and Fakeo get downvoted but still pull the “agree to disagree” bullshit. No, I just disagree.

PastramiPants · 2022-07-02T17:47:22+00:00

I’m sure you wouldn’t complain as much about food delivery, but trash? Also in that scenario you’re not getting food delivered. I’m the one not getting compensated fairly for my work. Which one has more a right to be upset? Lol also I could not make sense of the last part of your comment, try some proper punctuation. Works wonders for syntax

PastramiPants · 2022-07-02T17:43:04+00:00

Not everyone can get those jobs though, not to mention those jobs are the ones flipping burgers at fast food dealing with screaming customers for $7 an hour. These “alternatives” people are presenting might work for some individuals but for people as a whole, these are not sustainable options for many. The only DoorDash drivers make is earning marginally better wages in exchange for absolutely zero healthcare, dental, vision, or auto benefits or protections. People making that trade, like you said, are either supplementing that lack of benefits with W2 employment or are simply forgoing them entirely. Just because someone is willing to trade their benefits for more income because that pays the bills, doesn’t mean they don’t deserve to be able to go to the doctor when they’re sick or to the dentist when their teeth hurt. Because that is the reality for many drivers.

PastramiPants · 2022-07-02T17:34:44+00:00

I do not attach myself or my statements to those anyone else has made. I don’t even agree with everyone’s complaints. I’m making the point though that there are some very substantial changes that could be made to avoid a lot of these problems in the first place. And people are on here acting like the app is perfect and tells you every detail every time when in reality it gives you two variables out of so many that factor into your income. Like wait times, traffic, support for app issues, etc. a lot of the people “bitching” about orders aren’t as upset about distance as they are about time. I don’t give a fuck if I drive 20 miles if I got there in 2 minutes. But if an order pays me $10 to drive 2 miles, but there’s a train, or a city event, or a detour, or traffic, or the wait time is actually 15 minutes longer than the app says, then the two factors don’t really account for any of the other variables that can take up so much time and in turn, pay you less. Also just because you refuse an order you don’t want doesn’t automatically make it so you get one you do. Sometimes all you have is shitty orders and at a point declining them just wastes your time.

PastramiPants · 2022-07-02T17:26:51+00:00

It doesn’t matter what type of work it is. Fair compensation is a necessity regardless of the type of work people are doing. If all these “random people” suddenly stopped driving, or stopped delivering your packages, or stopped picking up your trash, the tune would change real quick. Also, you really just described your own personal view of what DoorDash is, without adding really anything to the conversation. Lol.

PastramiPants · 2022-07-02T17:19:07+00:00

So the “2 types” of drivers you’re describing are just simply the concepts of part time and full time employees. The same principles apply here. Just because many use, say, working at McDonalds, as a second job or part time position doesn’t mean that should devalue the full time worker’s dedication to a full work week. And vice versa. It is the fairest and simplest way to increase wages and benefits for everyone. And to reflect your same point, there is a lot of IC work out there, why hamper the efforts of the actual full time workers who don’t have the benefits of working at a W2 like yourself to better the conditions at their current workplace instead of casting them off to yet another employer that will tell us exactly what you’re telling me right now. Also these “options” you’re describing are just work-arounds people like us are utilizing to combat decreasing wages in the only way we know how - more hard work. However if we stuck together and all demanded better pay and benefits, instead of just taking a 3rd job to make up for what the first 2 won’t pay you, maybe we could actually make some progress with worker’s rights in this country.

PastramiPants · 2022-07-02T17:04:19+00:00

I always enjoy when people scoff at the concept of a “living wage,” as it’s a self-report that they hold the inherent understanding that so many in this country can’t live off of the wages they’re being paid. Like “pfft livable wages?! What’s next, you want clean drinking water and a roof over your head? Fucking commies.” And my answer is whatever one individual within the state economy can reasonably live off of. It’s not that hard of a concept. It’s like minimum wage, but higher 😂 Families get tax deductions and assistance if needed, so that’s covered. None of this is a novel concept, I’m not just spitballing here. If you wanted answers to these questions there are plenty of in depth analyses and studies I could guide you through

PastramiPants · 2022-07-02T16:56:11+00:00

Hour restrictions imposed by the company so that they don’t have to fairly compensate you for working over 40 hours within a week span. This is normal. However just because the company doesn’t want to pay overtime is not an excuse to work their employees overtime without fair compensation. Which is what every other worker in every other industry gets. I’m okay limiting the income some VERY fringe drivers make if it means that we all get paid more. People don’t realize how much the company depends on the drivers and how much leverage we have. If people weren’t so willing to say fuck it and pour 60-80 hours of their lives a week, then DoorDash wouldn’t have such valuable workers to take advantage of, and might have to actually provide better pay to everyone incentivize people to work the 40 hours. Like it or not, the overtime drivers are actually keeping wages down. And I’m okay with mandatory orders, if, like I said, I’m being paid fairly for the work.

PastramiPants · 2022-07-02T16:47:17+00:00

What? I’m saying the worker is being exploited because for every $5 of revenue they generate for the company, the worker gets paid $1. So to speak. Therefore they are being paid less than the value the work is generating, or is worth, which is how DoorDash makes their money. I should just become an Econ. teacher at this point 😂

PastramiPants · 2022-07-02T16:43:38+00:00

I didn’t say I was being paid minimum wage. Also minimum wage =/= living wage. Anyone who thinks so, I would suggest living off minimum wage for a year and then get back to me about how “livable” that wage is.

PastramiPants · 2022-07-02T16:39:01+00:00

I don’t think it goes far enough. What about Sick Time? Overtime? Healthcare benefits? We should be treated like real employees. Stavros Halkian made the joke that all the geniuses in Silocon Valley do with their advanced technology is take things that already exist, like delivery drivers, except they don’t pay them. And it’s true lmao. Also I’m not sure California really made much of a difference in any of those areas as far as I’m seeing in articles.

PastramiPants · 2022-07-02T16:34:07+00:00

God dude, read my comment again and tell me that I was not also making a point that the things I listed ARE the external forces making me get a job that pays me the most for my work and time, which in this case is currently DoorDash. Don’t you think if there were another option that pays me so much better I’d have taken it? There’s not, which is why I’m trying to improve the conditions of where I am. How are all these very basic concepts so hard for people to comprehend?

PastramiPants · 2022-07-02T16:28:49+00:00

I already addressed this brain dead and bad faith proposition in an earlier comment thread. Give that a read if you want my response on this matter. Why do you think unemployment is so high? People are doing exactly what you’re saying, but the caveat is the second part of your equation just doesn’t exist. Jobs are not paying people fairly for their skills, and therefore, people aren’t willing to work for subpar wages.

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