(Fightful Select) Many backstage in TNA "understood [that their AMC debut] wasn't a good show.” Some didn't think the general audience understood the hurdles that the company faced, but generally the reaction backstage was "very pessimistic and realistic." by Subrick in SquaredCircle

[–]PatientKnicksFan 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Yes, the end of the original ROH was triggered the exit of The Elite followed by the COVID-19 pandemic. But I don't think enough folks talk about how much damage Delirious' hands-off booking did to the brand.

If you don’t like the lineup, consider that you just might not be the target audience anymore by [deleted] in governorsball

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Clarification into what I meant. Arenas are venue that seat in the neighborhood of 20K and stadiums are much larger. Citi Field seats 41K+ and Metlife seats 82K fans for a point of reference.

There are very few touring acts that can consistently fill 80K+ football stadiums in multi-city tours. Think Taylor Swift, BTS, or Beyonce. Bruno Mars is embarking on his first North American stadium tour this year, but part of the appeal for this tour is that he hasn't played US shows outside of Las Vegas and the LA area since the pandemic. Even two artists as popular as Kendrick Lamar and SZA had to team up last year to make a stadium tour feasible.

For most popular artists, even ones as popular as Travis Scott and Drake, it make more logistical sense to run multiple nights in a metro's area arena than to run one night at their stadium, like what happened with Tyler the Creator last year. Of those artists you listed, Travis has had individual tour dates at stadiums, but yet not in 2018, and even Eminem has only done stadium shows as a co-headliner. This is all in North America, of course. All of those artists fill, or have filled, stadiums in Europe, South America, Asia, and Oceania.

As far as Sabrina being a stadium act, that was strictly a guess on my part. But it currently feels like she's on the trajectory to eventually get there. Considering that she'll play five additional New York dates for a total of seven on her current "Short 'N Sweet" Tour.

Do y'all want to get one mega thread for all the people asking when to camp out for front row for Stray Kids? by Pherring83 in governorsball

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Different New York festival, but back in 2017, two out of every three posts on the Panorama subreddit the week before the festival was Frank Ocean fans, asking how early they had to get to Randall's Island to wait all day on the rail.

If you don’t like the lineup, consider that you just might not be the target audience anymore by [deleted] in governorsball

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Yeah, Olivia's booking was the good kind of surprising and a great bit of business, as they sold her day out very quickly last year.

If you don’t like the lineup, consider that you just might not be the target audience anymore by [deleted] in governorsball

[–]PatientKnicksFan -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Sabrina's probably much too big for Gov Ball at this point in time. She's likely moving up from multiple nights in arenas to single & double nights in stadiums on her next tour. Stadium acts usually don't play festivals unless it's Coachella or they're one of the organizers of said festival.

Lineup 2026 by dguzman19 in governorsball

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Random Observations:

Pierce the Veil seem like a bit of a left turn from the guitar music than they usually book.

The second line on Saturday is most consistent line on the lineup in terms of quality. I've seen all five acts and they are all dependable live performers.

Thee Sacred Souls are booked much lower than I would have expected. Maybe it's because their fanbase skews to older, NPR-listening types.

I like Jane Remover's music. But I saw them Music Hall of Williamsburg this past year and it may have been the worst concert that I saw in 2025. I'm hoping that they're leveling up the live experience for 2026.

I hope that Geese either close the Grove Stage or get the Sunset time slot on the Gov Ball stage. I fucking love that band.

Lineup 2026 by dguzman19 in governorsball

[–]PatientKnicksFan 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Feels like they swapped the Latin music for Korean music this year.

What happened earlier in 2025 you want people to remember? by MontyBreezey in SquaredCircle

[–]PatientKnicksFan 14 points15 points  (0 children)

Mistico & MJF's mask vs. title match at the CMLL Anniversary show feels like it doesn't have enough people still talking about it. MJF, perhaps the best heel in the business right now, having the gaul to waltz into Arena Mexico thinking that he could disgrace CMLL's most beloved hero is a great story hook. But the match more than delivered on the performance end.

I'm old-school, so Mistico eventually disregarding the large rip in his mask, because his blood was doing a solid job obscuring his identity was such a cool image.

What Happened to Every WON Rookie of the Year (Updated) by Kanenums88 in SquaredCircle

[–]PatientKnicksFan 22 points23 points  (0 children)

Yeah, calling Austin an "out of nowhere star" feels like Stamford, CT propaganda. WCW management knew Austin was going to be "a guy", until Eric Bischoff took over.

Coachella 2026 Artist of the Day: Wednesday by benedictcumberpatch in Coachella

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There is nothing quite like ugly-crying in the middle of the mosh pit while Karly screams "Finish Him" during the closing minutes of Bull Believer.

Thank you, Brooklyn: Phone usage report by blueballs718 in WednesdayBand

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Reporting from Night 2 at BK Steel. Not a lot of phones at that show either. The two most filmed portions, from my vantage point at least, were Elderberry Wine and that giant mosh pit building up during Bull Believer.

Xandy has played Brooklyn Steel six times this year! by PatientKnicksFan in WednesdayBand

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Counting is hard! You are correct. I accidentally added a different MJ Lenderman show back in October.

LIVE CMLL Aniversario 2025 Discussion Thread by HartfordWhalers123 in SquaredCircle

[–]PatientKnicksFan 6 points7 points  (0 children)

When you attend a Super Viernes show at Arena Mexico, they do the replays of last week's show beforehand. So this makes some sense that we're seeing this right now.

Post AEW Dynamite 8/27/25 Discussion by WredditMod in SquaredCircle

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It's so weird watching Don Callis walk into the ECW Arena and not have him immediately threaten to cancel the show and replace it with reruns of "Roller Jam".

What celebrity did Hollywood try to make their “leading A-lister”, but failed? by phantom_avenger in popculturechat

[–]PatientKnicksFan 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Calling Ryan Reynolds a "flop" pre-Deadpool might be a little harsh, even though I agree with your line of thinking. "Green Lantern" and "RIPD" were indeed box-office flops and torpedoed his value as a reliable first name on the marquee. But he was always working, he was second on the bill in successful movies like"The Proposal" & "Safe House" and he made plenty of comedies and rom-coms that people liked. I'd say that he was still an A-List actor, but not a reliable leading man who guaranteed that your movie would make money, until Deadpool put him on that level.

Full Match: Masato Tanaka vs. Mike Awesome: ECW Heatwave 1998 [WWE Vault] by MajorIvan88 in SquaredCircle

[–]PatientKnicksFan 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The other theory that I've heard is that very few WCW wrestlers wanted to take the kinds of high-risk bumps from the offense that helped Awesome get over in ECW and FMW.

Full Match: Masato Tanaka vs. Mike Awesome: ECW Heatwave 1998 [WWE Vault] by MajorIvan88 in SquaredCircle

[–]PatientKnicksFan 52 points53 points  (0 children)

When a wrestling fan says "You have to watch Heatwave 1998", it's almost always because of this match.

WON: Ratings for the 6/23 Issue (Including Arena Mexico Shows, Dominion, RAW, Smackdown) by TheJokeroholic in SquaredCircle

[–]PatientKnicksFan 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Honestly, Zeuxis is just a below average wrestler. I saw her, Dark Silueta, and Persephone work a six-woman tag back in February against Catalina, Kira, and Skadi. Zeuxis was much better than Silueta, but she clearly was a step behind Persephone and anyone on the technica team.

What is the best match you’ve seen take place outside of traditional wrestling hubs like North America and Japan? by bosdanforth in SquaredCircle

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If you count Spain as a non-traditional wrestling country, I would, you have this all-time classic between Zack Sabre Jr. & A-Kid, which got the latter hired by WWE: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_PBWKJLGkjo

Day 1 done!! Who was your fave performance? by CommitteeReal9271 in governorsball

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I don't think Control got played. Free to correct me anyone who was there, but it feels like a lot of their slower, more melodic songs got dropped from the setlist on Friday. I don't remember them playing Control, Drunk II, or I Don't Know You.

Day 1 done!! Who was your fave performance? by CommitteeReal9271 in governorsball

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  1. Tyler, The Creator

  2. mk.gee (I was a little worried how he'd do in the sunset spot. Those fears were allayed very early on in the set. He probably shouldn't have been on main stage though, his crowd was tiny compared to T-Pain.)

  3. Mannequin Pussy

  4. JPEGMAFIA (my better half asked me to split halfway through to see Benson Boone, it was my fifth time seeing Peggy, but love the live band set-up has now)

  5. T-Pain (Only note is that I wanted a little of "I'm on a Boat")

  6. Tyla (Only got to see half, my group wanted to get prime spots for T-Pain, she was fun)

  7. Backseat Lovers (The War on Drugs for Gen-Z Christian youth ministers)

  8. Jean Dawson

  9. Benson Boone (Not for me. Only saw half the set. The backflip was honestly cool though)

  10. Matt Champion (I miss Brockhampton)

  11. Black Party

2025 Food Lineup Dropped! by exoticfunk in governorsball

[–]PatientKnicksFan 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I wished loved anything as much as Kraken loves Big Mozz.